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JMBarrie / Jean Forbes-Robertson (1905-1962)
« on: January 23, 2024, 02:02:36 PM »
Jean Forbes-Robertson played Peter Pan from 1927 to 1935 (reprising the role one last time in 1939). She had that elfin quality that made her one of the most popular Peter Pan ever and was the inspiration for E H Shepard's design of his Peter Pan silhouette for the Peter Pan League in 1929. She came from a family of artists and actors: her father was the actor Johnston Forbes-Robertson, her mother the actress Gertrude Elliott, her aunt the American actress Maxine Elliott, her uncle the actor Norman Forbes-Robertson. Her daughter, the actress Joanna Van Gyseghem, has kindly shared with this site previously unseen photos of her mother in her role of Peter Pan, which you can see here https://jmbarrie.co.uk/search?q=Jean+Forbes-Robertson&category=.
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Peter Pan / Re: My Peter Pan Movies Ratings:
« on: May 09, 2023, 02:40:12 PM »
Hi Dani
Pretty much how I would rate these too - except I haven't seen Peter Pan & Wendy as yet, but I'm fairly prejudiced against it anyway, as I don't like what Disney do to the original stories and I never particularly liked their 1953 cartoon. Plus your detailed review would have put me off anyway - thanks for that, saved me wasting time watching it... By the way, have they again made Peter an elf in the movie, with silly pointy ears?

As for Pan, I would give it 0/10 - it was just awful, and made absolutely no sense at all. You haven't rated SyFy Channel Neverland miniseries, but that also deserved a 1/10 (Harry Potter meets Oliver Twist, with a sprinkling of Peter Pan).

I also loved the GOSH-based Peter & Wendy, although I thought Paloma Faith was totally miscast as Tinker Bell.

Did you have a look at the Russian 1987 version? Peter Pan looks like Little Lord Flaunteroy... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gv7m8Q9YdO4

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Peter Pan / Peter Pan panto - Christmas 23
« on: April 29, 2023, 07:44:51 AM »
For those of you in the UK: an inspired casting for Captain Hook, even though it's a panto! Should be fun.
https://uk.sports.yahoo.com/news/absolutely-fabulous-star-jennifer-saunders-170000758.html
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Davies Family / Re: Michael at Eton
« on: August 01, 2022, 05:14:07 PM »
You're right, it is confusing! I've had to look at different sources to piece it together. What happened was that Michael left Eton at the end of the summer, intending to enjoy a last summer holiday before joining the Scots Guards in the autumn. However, he changed his mind and went back to Eton for the Michaelmas Half while waiting to join the guards. Hugh Macnaghten wrote that "subsequently he  [Michael] wrote in the quiet of the holidays asking if he might return. He was welcomed back, and the record of his last Half is 'A wonderful Captain: he worries, but his judgment is unerring and his actions swift as lightning: the most admirable boy who has ever been in the house.'

The war ended in November, and Michael was finally persuaded to go to Oxford in January 1919.

Hope that helps!
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Davies Family / Re: Michael at Eton
« on: July 29, 2022, 08:44:57 AM »
Michael ended his secondary schooling at Eton at the end of the summer term in 1918, fully intending to join the Scots Guards after a summer holiday but the Armistice in November 18 ended the war.  He then went to Oxford. (By the way, you don't graduate from Eton, or from any British school, only from university or tertiary education.)
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Peter Pan / Pauline Chase as Peter Pan
« on: July 19, 2022, 10:44:31 AM »
I have added to the database an article published in Strand Magazine in January 1913 of Pauline Chase's reminiscences of playing Peter Pan between 1907-1913.
https://jmbarrie.co.uk/photos/pauline-chases-reminiscences-of-peter-pan-strand-magazine-1913
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JMBarrie / Re: J.M Barrie at the University of Edinburgh
« on: April 24, 2022, 12:35:47 PM »
According to Denis Mackail's biography (Chapter 6), Barrie took 7 subjects: Greek, Latin, Moral Philosophy or Logic, Metaphysics, Mathematics, Rhetoric and English Literature.
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Davies Family / Re: Peter and Alice Script
« on: February 16, 2022, 10:11:29 PM »
The reason the PDF is no longer available is most probably because it was removed, for questions of copyright, as it was in breach of the copyright. The only way to get a copy of the script is through Amazon or other official online outlet - unless someone has kept a copy of the PDF and can email it to you!
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Bugs and Errors / Re: Website down?
« on: January 31, 2022, 12:01:19 PM »
Happy to report the site is back up and running! Apologies for the delay but hope you can enjoy it without any bugs.
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Bugs and Errors / Re: Website down?
« on: January 14, 2022, 10:04:04 PM »
No, it’s not you. The site had to be taken off for work to be done on it to eliminate some bugs. Hopefully, it should be back in the next week or so. Hang on in there.
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Bugs and Errors / Re: Website down?
« on: January 02, 2022, 03:51:59 PM »
Hi, thanks for letting us know. I thought that was only me on an old laptop, as I could access the message board on my iPad. I’ll report the issue to the powers that be. Hopefully, it can be sorted out quickly.
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Peter Pan / Re: Peter Pan Day
« on: January 01, 2022, 10:00:39 AM »
Dani is right. The only good things in the film were Jason Isaacs as Hook and Rachel Hurd-Wood as Wendy. The movie is more about a teenage romance between Peter and Wendy than anything else
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Peter Pan / Re: Peter Pan's Dark Origins (Christian Anti-Pan Article)
« on: December 31, 2021, 12:04:33 PM »
Very true!
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Peter Pan / Re: Peter Pan's Dark Origins (Christian Anti-Pan Article)
« on: December 30, 2021, 04:55:23 PM »
Thanks for the link - it did make me laugh. What a ridiculous and nonsensical theory about Peter Pan’s origins.  But seeing it’s from an evangelical Christian site explains a lot.

Apart from the fact the article is pretty illiterate with many spelling mistakes as well as factual errors (Barrie had already met the LD boys long before his divorce for instance), the author references Piers Dudgeon whose book (not a biography, let alone an “autobiography”, more a work of fiction). Dudgeon’s book not only invents events to fit his own twisted theories but has also plagiarised Andrew Birkin’s work and uses quotes out of context.  The story of Sylvia’s will that was falsified for nefarious purposes has long been debunked.

I would also add the reference to the film Pan’s Labyrinth doesn’t make sense since the original tile is The Faun’s Labyrinth as American & British distributors thought “Pan” would be better understood. The god Pan is not a faun.


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Peter Pan / Re: Peter Pan 1924
« on: December 30, 2021, 04:33:53 PM »
In answer to (some of) your questions:

Roger Lancelyn Green in his book 50 Years of Peter Pan writes that Barrie was “greatly disappointed” and quotes the latter’s reaction after seeing the film for the first time: “It is only repeating what is done on the stage, and the only reason for a film should be that it does the things the stage can’t do.”  It had already been a disappointment that his own scenario, with his very far-seeing vision of special effects wasn’t used. He did approve of Betty Bronson though, as he had selected her himself.

One would suspect he didn’t think much of the American flavour, as he was a proud British man, as well as a proud Scot., and the play has so many references to its Englishness, from Eaton to King George.

Great Ormond St Hospital did not benefit from the film since it was made 5 years before Barrie gifted his copyright to the hospital and there were no royalties payable, before or after.

I have no idea about Alan Hale being one of the pirates, and like you, couldn’t find any mention.

I loved your dad’s anecdote, very funny.







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