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Peter Pan / Re: Peter Pan at the National Theatre 2016
« on: January 15, 2021, 05:54:41 PM »
I saw Sally Cook's adaptation when it premiered at the Old Vic Theatre in Bristol two years before it came to the National Theatre. In that first production, Hook wasn't played by a woman but the actor who did was great. I also enjoyed it a lot - like Andrew said, more for the joyful spirit than anything else. My only criticism was Nana: she was played by a big burly man dressed as a woman dressed as a dog. It was too close to a panto dame and it jarred. I don't know whether they did the same at the NT.

I had my ticket for the National Theatre show, but I couldn't go at the last minute as I fell ill with flu. I was very sorry to miss it.
General topic / Pet Cemetery
« on: January 11, 2021, 06:13:14 PM »
For anyone interested, I have uploaded some photos of the Pet Cemetery in Hyde Park (adjacent to Kensington Gardens), which is mentioned in THe Little White Bird as the "Dog's Cemetery" , which the narrator (Barrie) avoids because of Porthos, his St Bernard.

You can see some of the graves from Bayswater Road but it's not open to passing public, as it's part of Victoria Lodge. If you want to visit it properly, you have to arrange an appointment with the Park Rangers (who will expect a donation for the tour).
Peter Pan / Re: Peter Pan Play
« on: January 10, 2021, 05:01:06 PM »
I have now added THe Peter Pan Keepsake to the database.
Davies Family / Re: Peter and Alice Script
« on: January 10, 2021, 10:55:44 AM »
The play is exactly that: a play. It's not meant to be a documentary, but just a totally fictionalised imagining of what the two people who inspired two of the greatest classics in English literature, would have said to each other. They did actually meet in 1932, when Alice was 80 and Peter was 30 (as recounted in Alice Liddell's autobiography) but it was a very brief meeting.

I saw the play at the time, and whilst being irritated by some of the interpretations of events and characters, and allegations, I thought the acting was superb, by both Judi Dench and Ben Whishaw. I also liked the fact that the Peter Pan portrayed on stage was closer to the original than the grimacing pixie-like Disney interpretation with its silly Robin Hood costume which now seems the lazy way of depicting him (even Spielberg gave him pointy ears in Hook). The play's Peter Pan made me think of Jean Forbes-Robertson's portrayal of the 20s & 30s.

So yes, good in parts - but also frustratingly annoying in others to anyone who knows the story.
Peter Pan / Re: Peter Pan Play
« on: January 09, 2021, 02:10:44 PM »
I suspect the script used by this community theatre in 1991 is Barrie's 1928 final version, which they would have got from the theatre agents Samuel French when they obtained a licence for their production. They probably meant that their production was based on Barrie's original play (as opposed to the many adaptations, musical or not), but not necessarily the same version as that staged in 1904.

The earliest script (or draft) is dated 1 March 1904 and is held by the Lilly Library at Indiana University. Search for "Anon: A Play" on the database here for the complete text, which Andrew has transcribed. I believe the Beinecke Library holds the rehearsal script of the 1904-05 production.

To get an idea of the differences between Barrie's original staged version and his final version first published (rather than licensed) in 1928,  the Peter Pan Keepsake* first published in 1907 by Chatto & Windus, is your best bet: it was novelised by Daniel O'Connor from the early production (later published by George Bell & Sons under the title The Peter Pan Picture Book with illustrations by Alice B. Woodward).

* I'll scan my copy and upload it on the database in the next few days.

Peter Pan / Re: Andrew Birkin Interview for 2003 Peter Pan
« on: January 03, 2021, 08:25:40 AM »
Thanks for posting the link! I had seen this many years ago but had forgotten about it - and forgotten also who the awful interviewer was! Still, it's good to hear Andrew and Laura Duguid, and share their memories.
Peter Pan / Re: Disney’s Peter Pan and Wendy
« on: January 03, 2021, 08:16:01 AM »
Somehow, I doubt that will make any difference to Disney's version. The new film will just be a live action reboot of the animated film, updated in places to be more politically correct.
General topic / Re: Hook Deleted Scene
« on: December 18, 2020, 06:02:24 PM »
Yes, I agree that Hook is disappointing, but as you say, Spielberg did acknowledge the source material - in his own way. I think it's worth noting that not only did care about the original story, but he also cared about Barrie's legacy. When he visited Great Ormond Street Hospital prior to making the film, he was so moved by their work, and so taken by the story of Barrie's gift of copyright, he personally donated $1m to the hospital.
Peter Pan / New Peter Pan audio adaptation on BBC at Christmas
« on: December 18, 2020, 10:52:02 AM »
The BBC is broadcasting a brand new play adaptation of Peter Pan this Christmas Eve, starring Kenneth Branagh (as Hook), Olivia Colman, Sharon D. Clarke, Jane Horrocks, Jason Flemyng and many more. It will also be available for download on 20 December. All proceeds will go to Great Ormond Street Hospital Children's Charity. Not to be missed!
General topic / Re: Peter Pan Statue in Edgmont Park, Brussels
« on: December 12, 2020, 05:30:29 PM »
The statue in Egmont Park is definitely still there. It was restored a few years ago, not only from the damage caused by bullets in WW2 but Peter's pipe was replaced after it was stolen. It's not strictly speaking a replica, but the first full-size cast from the original mould by George Frampton himself. It was donated in 1925 by the sculptor as a memorial to the friendship between the two countries during the First World War. It is now listed as a Belgian national monument.

There are 5 other casts located in: Liverpool, US, Australia and two in Canada but these were commissioned by the cities, not donated by Frampton - so the one in Brussels is special!

According to George du Maurier's online biographies, he also lived in Malines as well as Brussels, but no actual address is given.
Peter Pan / Re: Disney’s Peter Pan and Wendy
« on: December 12, 2020, 03:03:20 PM »
I don't think I'll watch the new film either, as I was never a fan of the first one. But Disney will most probably sanitise the references to Native Americans and make their portrayal more politically correct (quite rightly). Also, I bet Wendy will be more feisty and less "motherly" than in the animated version. Moving with the times!
General topic / Re: Checking addresses
« on: December 12, 2020, 02:55:52 PM »
I've never heard of 15 Bayswater Road in connection of either Barrie, the Llewelyn Davies or the du Maurier's.

Barrie and Mary Ansell first lived in South Kensington (Gloucester Road) before moving to 100 Bayswater Road. Before his marriage, Barrie lived in various rooms at different addresses (mostly in Bloomsbury), but I've never come across 15 Bayswater Road.

George du Maurier and his family lived in Bloomsbury before moving to Hampstead. Gerald du Maurier lived in Regent's Park before moving to Hampstead.

Arthur and Sylvia Llewelyn Davies did live at 18 Craven Terrace when they first married and their first son George was born there. It was a house then, but it has probably been converted to flats now. They then moved to 31 Kensington Park Gardens and later at No 23 before moving out of London to Birkhamsted. After Arthur's death, Sylvia and the boys moved back to London, to 23 Campden Hill Square.

The initials JMB were etched onto the glass pane of a dining room window in the Harris Hotel in the Western Isles. You can see a photo on the database, and read more about it.

General topic / Re: Movies Based on J.M. Barrie’s Other Plays
« on: December 11, 2020, 02:58:13 PM »
There are quite a few film adaptations of his plays - although not recent ones - starting with A Kiss for Cinderella , a silent movie from 1925

Quality Street was adapted twice, the first time in 1927 with Marion Davies and the second in 1937 with Katharine Hepburn. The latter incidentally also starred in The Little Minister but of course that was a novel, not a play.

The Admirable Crichton was made into a film with Kenneth More in 1957 - the only one I've seen, and it's pretty cringingly awful - and very dated now.

The Old Lady Showed her Medals was loosely adapted in a film (Seven Days Leave) starring Gary Cooper in 1930.

I remember seeing an adaptation of The Twelve Pound Look  for the BBC many years ago, which was very good. There was also a silent movie from the 1920s but I've never seen that.

They are the only ones I can think of at the moment. The one I'd like to see on screen is Dear Brutus, one of my favourite plays, but no luck so far. There was a very good radio adaptation on the BBC a while back.
Peter Pan / Re: A Proper Peter Pan Sequel
« on: December 01, 2020, 04:50:48 PM »
There are many sequels to Peter Pan, some authorised, others not, a lot are self-published or fan fiction (and usually pretty bad...) but none are actual sequels, just another adventure, usually without keeping to the spirit of Barrie, and adding lots of magic or fairy stuff. Peter Pan in Scarlet is beautifully written, but it isn't what I would call a proper sequel.

Disney's Return to Never Land is set during WW2 which doesn't make sense, period-wise, and is over sentimental.

It's the same problem with prequels, or origin stories: they bear no connection with Barrie's vision or his original story (Peter Pan in Kensington Gardens and don't even try to tie them in.

I keep hoping someone will do it, without making Peter into another Dickensian or Harry Potter-ish character.
Peter Pan / Re: «Jas Hook at Eton» 1925 manuscript version vs 1927 speech
« on: November 14, 2020, 09:44:03 PM »
I don't think this question has ever been discussed on this forum and wasn't aware the story could have changed between the intended publication in the anthology and the actual speech at Eton. It is quite possible since Barrie often revised and rewrote his plays and other works. There's no mention of this in Denis Mackail's biography, which is normally very detailed.

If the NY Library holds the early manuscript, I wonder if one could get a copy? It'd be interesting also to check whether the Beinecke holds a manuscript version of the speech. Would anyone know?
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