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JMBarrie / My Barrie and Michael Play
« on: March 18, 2021, 10:24:58 PM »
I have written a play about the relationship between Barrie and Michael. One day I would like to see it performed. If anyone would like to read it and send me feedback, please let me know, and Iíll send you the script.
My tentative title for the play is ďBarrie and Michael: The Father and Son Story of the Author of Peter PanĒ.
Peter Pan / Peter and Wendy 2015 Movie
« on: February 03, 2021, 09:54:15 PM »
I FINALLY saw the Peter and Wendy TV movie from 2015!
As usual, I found a DVD of the movie on Amazon.
This is hands down the BEST Peter Pan movie ever made so far! Itís genius!!!
I donít want to spoil anything because I think literally every Peter Peter Pan fan in the world should see this movie! I will just say some general things I liked about the movie.
First of all, just the premise alone of a child in Great Ormond Street Hospital imagining the story of Peter Pan to cope with her operation is brilliant in itself! But of course execution is also very important, and it was brilliantly executed! Stanley Tucci was a great Hook! The boy playing Peter, Zak Sutcliffe, I thought was a little flat sometimes, but he was still great! And this Peter was WAY better written than the 2003 one! Hazel Doupe was a great Wendy/Lucy, the patient having the surgery. And the rest of the cast was great too!
Without spoilers, I will say another brilliant thing that this movie did was how it incorporated the hospital setting into the scenes taking place in Neverland!
Also the director of the movie, Diarmuid Lawrence, unfortunately passed away in 2019, and I think this was his last movie, but he did an amazing job and Iím glad he was able to make this film before he died, perhaps maybe going to the real Neverland!
If you can, please buy this movie!
Peter Pan / Peter Pan Graphic Novel
« on: January 29, 2021, 04:39:27 PM »
There was a old post about this years ago, but I recently bought the Peter Pan graphic novel adapted by Stephen White or ďStrefĒ and illustrated by Fin Cramb, and I finished reading it yesterday.
I highly recommend this book! The drawings are beautiful and there are little details sprinkled throughout the pages that are connected to Barrie, especially if you look at the framed pictures in the Darling nursery!
My favorite detail is that the Darlings own a small framed picture of Michael Llewelyn-Davies dressed as Peter Pan! The drawing is just an outline of the image, but if you know the image well, you can definitely tell thatís what itís supposed to be!
You can buy the book on Amazon!

Peter Pan / Peter Pan at the National Theatre 2016
« on: January 14, 2021, 04:52:43 AM »
I just read about a production of Peter Pan that happened in 2016 at the National Theatre that double casted Captain Hook with Mrs. Darling! I had thought Andrew was the only one to do this with his production!
I tried to search for posts of anyone talking about this production, but couldnít find any. So did anyone here see it? What did you think? Do you think they did the Hook/Mrs. Darling double casting right? Iím very curious!
General topic / Napoleon Script
« on: January 12, 2021, 07:55:23 PM »
I read some old posts talking about a Napoleon script that used to be on this site. Was it Kubrickís Napoleon, which I know Andrew did the location scouting for, or a script that Andrew himself wrote?
Peter Pan / Peter Pan Play
« on: January 08, 2021, 09:28:51 PM »
Here is the only full play of Peter Pan I found online! Itís a community theatre play from 1991 that was directed by the user. The director, Michael D. Jackson (Yes it is an astounding coincidence that this is his name and he directed Peter Pan!) says an introduction before the play starts.

The acting is not the best and the director did cut stuff out, but it is still a decent production and Iím just happy that someone posted a non-musical play of Peter Pan!

Itís says the 1904 script, but he might be mistaken with that since Barrie did not license the play until 1928 and I have no idea how you could get your hands on the original 1904 script! But of course Iím the one who could be wrong here! Someone on this forum more knowledgeable than me can probably know the answer to this!

Davies Family / Jack in The Lost Boys Part 2
« on: January 05, 2021, 05:49:07 PM »
I was just reading through some of the letters Nico wrote in his correspondence with Sharon Goode, and I saw that he mentioned that Lauraís nannyís great-nephew got the part of one of the Jacks in part 2 of The Lost Boys. I am curious to know which Jack was it?

The two Jacks in part two were Guy Hewitt and David Wilson.
Peter Pan / There Can Never be a Proper Screen Peter Pan
« on: January 03, 2021, 09:08:31 PM »
Iím not sure if there can be a proper Peter Pan (the character) on film or TV.

I think Barrie wanted Peter Pan between the ages of 6-8 years old. Michael Davies was 6 in those P.P. pictures and even though the statue is not modeled on Michael, the boy still looks around age 6-8.

Casting a 6 to 8 year old boy to play Peter would be very difficult. The boy has to be a good actor, which are few and far between because the actor is so young, and he has to fly and sword fight.

Jeremy Sumpter, who played Peter in the 2003 Peter Pan, said he had to practice sword fighting for about 4 hours a day non stop everyday for months before shooting the film, thatís incredibly hard work for a 12 or 13 year old to do, let along a 6-8 year old!
And the boy would have to be on a harness for hours on end on set, thatís what Peter and Darling children actors had to go through for the 2003 movie, and harnesses are not comfortable to be in!

So as much as I and a lot of people on this forum would like to have a very young boy play Peter Pan as envisioned by Barrie to be in a screen adaptation, it would just be too hard!

Having a 12 to 13 year old boy is technically too old to play Peter, but it is the most feasible way to still have a person who is still a young boy, but is still old enough to have the physical stamina required to play the role.

What are you guyís thoughts on this?
Peter Pan / Andrew Birkin Interview for 2003 Peter Pan
« on: January 02, 2021, 08:34:50 PM »

I read an old post on this forum that you did an interview for a special for the 2003 Peter Pan movie but you never saw it.
Well I found the special on YouTube and Nicoís daughter Laura is interviewed in it too!

Hereís the video!
Peter Pan / Anna Ludlow Website- Peter Pan
« on: January 02, 2021, 05:59:30 PM »
I recently found this website made by Anna Ludlow who apparently worked on The Lost Boys Trilogy!

She has a page on her website dedicated to Peter Pan where she shares memorabilia that she collected from being a part of the series!

She also she also writes about other Peter Pan adaptations that have happened over the years!
Peter Pan / Peter Pan: A Hard Act to Follow Clip
« on: January 02, 2021, 05:44:27 PM »
Since I read about it on a very old post on this forum, I had been looking for the hour-long 2006 documentary, Peter Pan: A Hard Act to Follow, online but sadly I couldnít.

But luckily, I found an almost 7 minutes long clip of it on someoneís website and here it is!
Peter Pan / Peter Pan Day
« on: December 27, 2020, 02:25:39 AM »
Where I am, tomorrow is December 27th, but for some of you it might already be the 27th, and on December 27, 1904, Peter Pan; or, the Boy Who Wouldnít Grow Up premiered at the Duke of Yorkís Theatre and introduced the Peter Pan story as we know it today to the public!

So to celebrate the 116th Anniversary of the Peter Pan story, I think it would be fun to write down what introduced you to the Peter Pan story? Was it the book, the play, the musical, one of the films? And what made you interested in the story of J.M. Barrie and the Llewelyn Davies boys?

As for me, I was introduced to Peter Pan from the 1953 Disney movie on VHS, which I still have today! I donít remember how old I was when I first saw it, but I must have been between 3-6 years old.

And I think I became interested in JMB and the boysí story in 2011 when I was 15 or 16 years old. I think I was looking up JMB for some reason on Wikipedia, and I looked up his adopted sons and read the info about them, and I think I saw that there was not only Finding Neverland movie, which I had seen already, but also another movie made in the 70ís called The Lost Boys. And sometime later I happened to come across a clip of the movie on YouTube with draughts scene between Barrie and Michael.

This is the exact video I had found:

And after I saw this, I was hooked. Eventually, as years went by, I discovered this website and bought the The Lost Boys book and DVD, and Iíve been a big Pan Fan and JMB fan ever since!
General topic / Come Away Movie Review
« on: December 26, 2020, 11:48:04 PM »
Yesterday I finally rented the 2020 movie Come Away and Iíve watched the movie twice, and unfortunately I was disappointed!

Come Away is about a family, mom, dad, and three children, David, Peter, and Alice, and  David dies, and the family has to deal with his death and the their own personal problems.

I know I just gave that brief summary of the movie but honestly I couldnít really tell you what the movie is about! Or what the message of the movie is supposed to be! The writing is the main problem with this movie! The story and character motivations are all over the place!

When I first saw the trailer for Come Away, I thought it was about children imagining the stories of Peter Pan and Alice in Wonderland to deal with their problems, and the childrenís names just happened to be Peter and Alice. But unfortunately, for the most part, thatís not what we get here.

Iím about to spoil Come Away, so if you donít want spoilers but just want a recommendation, I say donít watch this movie unless youíre really curious about it.  If you just want to watch a family movie with magic and whimsy and just turn your brain off for a little while, then you can watch it, and itís appropriate for kids so they can watch it too! But if youíre looking for a legitimately good Peter Pan type movie, stay away!
There is some good story stuff in this movie, but they are few and far between! The effects are decent and the acting was mostly good throughout the whole cast! And if you watch the movie, please comment your opinion on the movie because I would love to read other peopleís opinions from this forum about the movie!


Like I said, the Come Awayís plot is all over the place!

For example, at first, at the beginning of the movie itís clear that the fantasy elements are just in childrenís imaginations, but then all of a sudden at the end it turns out that the things the children are imagining are real! Wait what??

And the characterís motivations are all over the place too. Like Peter says he wants to grow up, but all of a sudden at the end he doesnít, and Alice goes back and forth between wanting to be a lady and not wanting to, then thereís the aunt character who the movie isnít sure if the audience should root for her or not. One minute sheís telling Alice and the parents that Alice needs to act more like a lady, but then twice the movie shows the parents telling the aunt that she doesnít have children so she canít understand what itís like to have children, and that makes the aunt sad and emotional, and we see a scene where she has a good time hanging out with Alice because she feels a mother, but then it goes back to the aunt being portrayed as a villain character again, and itís just all over the place and really confusing!

Also some subplots in this movie tend to start and then end before reaching a satisfying conclusion. For example, at the beginning Peter wants to be like his older brother David, but this motivation isnít fleshed out enough because we barely know anything about David and why Peter would want to be like him, and after David dies, he admits to his parents that he wants to replace David and go to the boarding school that David was going to go to, but then something else happens and then the situation is never brought up again. With Alice, she thinks David might still be alive or come back to life, but then the movie suddenly forgets the subplot completely. And actually after David dies, heís barely mentioned or talked about again in the entire movie!

And then thereís the parentsí story arcs. Iím not really sure what the motherís is, she mourns Davidís death for a bit and sometimes tells off her sister for wanting to make Alice a lady, but thatís pretty much it. The dadís arc however the movie tries to back a big deal about but it really amounts to nothing and when they focus on him and his gambling problem or his dad and brother, the film comes to a halt and doesnít really have to do what should be the focus, which is his wife and kids.

If I had made this movie, I would have made it the plot I thought I was getting. David dies, but it focuses more on the kids coping with the death more than the parents, and how they use their imaginations and use their favorite stories, Peter Pan and Alice in Wonderland, to cope with their grief and also help the parents deal with their grief too.

But finally thereís the most confusing part about the movie, and thatís saying something, the ending! And I think this ending really ruined the movie for me above everything else!


Like I said at the beginning, even though it was clearly established at the start of the movie that their Peter Pan and Alice in Wonderland fantasies were just their imaginations, end of the movie, it turns out their fantasies are real all of a sudden, and Alice really is the Alice from Alice in Wonderland and Peter is the actual Peter from Peter Pan, so this movie is another prequel movie! Oh boy...

Now I know the posters for the movie hint at this being a prequel story to Alice and Peter Pan, but nothing in the movie before the ending indicates that these kids are the actual Alice and Peter Pan! I almost thought it was a marketing mistake! And because, of course, the backstories donít add up!
Alice and Peter Pan are siblings! What? And they had an older brother! What? Tinkerbell used to be an actual bell? What? Captain Hook is Peter Panís uncle! What? The Mad Hatterís their grandfather? What? The Queen of Hearts is also their mom, I think? What???

But it gets worse. At the very end, itís revealed that Alice actually grew up, got married and had three kids, Wendy, John, and Michael. And Peter became Peter Pan and left his family behind for no reason and never gives his family an explanation and never even tells them goodbye, and he goes to Aliceís house years later, still a boy, and whisks her children away to Neverland! WHAT??????????

And the saddest part is, despite all my ranting, there is a good movie in here, it just needed better writers and a better focus on what the story is and where they wanted to to go. The filmmakers put too many ingredients into one pot, leaving a confusing and gross taste in my mouth.

Also with ALL of that being said Iíve read positive audience reviews of this movie, despite its flaws! I actually rented this movie on YouTube and the comment that I see at the bottom of the movie is ďThis is my favorite movie ever made me feel like a little boyĒ. So if you like this movie, Iím not going to say youíre wrong for liking it! If youíre the type of person that just likes a fantasy family movie with magic and decent special effects and simple lessons about believing in magic and other whimsical quotes sprinkled here and there just to turn your brain off for a while, which has been necessary more than ever this year, then I totally understand! But I think most of the people on this forum want more something of substance when it comes to Peter Pan films, and this is not it!

And the movie is only about $5 or $6 to rent depending on where you get it from (on YouTube it was $5), so itís cheap to watch if youíre really curious about it!

And even though Iíve just given my opinion of the movie, if you still want to watch it, after you do, share your opinion as I would love to read other peopleís thoughts about the movie too!
General topic / Peter and Wendy in Burning Secret
« on: December 21, 2020, 02:49:13 AM »
I made a mistake in a previous topic saying that the Peter and Wendy book was not in Andrewís film Burning Secret, but the book can actually be seen in the film very briefly!

Itís when Edmund wakes up to shut off his alarm clock, before he looks around the hotel to look for Alexander to go exploring with him only to find him eating breakfast. The side of the book can clearly be seen leaning against the bed near the alarm clock.

If you go on Andrewís YouTube channel and click on the film, you can scroll to 20:40 and youíll see it!

I was lucky to find this because I just decided, out of curiosity, to scroll through the film, more specifically to every scene where just Edmund or Edmund and his mother were in a bedroom, so I could see if maybe the book was in the movie and I had just missed it in previous viewings, and I was happy to see that the book was in fact in the movie! 😀

Sometimes it feels good to be wrong about something! 😂
General topic / At the Back of the North Wind
« on: December 20, 2020, 05:12:44 PM »
I just finished listening to the audiobook of At the Back of the North Wind by George MacDonald.

The reason I read this book is because this book was possibly an inspiration for Peter Pan, specifically Neverland (as stated on page 105 of The Lost Boys Book). Although I donít think there is any real evidence that Barrie read the book, but it is possible!

Also in The Lost Boys mini-series, Michael is seen reading At the Back of the North Wind in one of the scenes in Ashton after fishing with his brothers right before he finds out his mother is dead. You can barely see inside of the book or the title of the book in the actual scene, but I learned that was the book from reading the script of TLB.

The things that this book has in common with Peter Pan: fairies, death, dreams, love of mothers, going to a paradise world, and there was a scene where the boy protagonist Diamond dreams of angel boys with a leader like Peter and the The Lost Boys. North Wind herself could sort of be like Peter Pan too!

This book is beautiful!! I very very highly recommend you read this book! If you want to listen to an audiobook, you can listen to one for free on YouTube!
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