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Peter Pan / Re: Seeing Peter Pan Elements in Other Films or Media
« on: November 21, 2020, 10:22:10 PM »
Thank you Hannah!

And wow I didn’t realize that some of the characters reflect the people in Ben’s real life! Usually I’m good at spotting stuff like that in movies, but totally missed it here! Seems very obvious now! Thanks for telling that to me!
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Peter Pan / Re: “Peter Pan, or the Boy Who Hated Mothers” Script
« on: November 18, 2020, 09:26:34 PM »
No problem Andrew! 😀
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Peter Pan / “Peter Pan, or the Boy Who Hated Mothers” Script
« on: November 18, 2020, 02:31:34 PM »
Andrew,

I recently discovered that you wrote the play Peter Pan, or the Boy Who Hated Mothers, and it was only performed in France.

I was wondering if you were allowed to share your script on the database?
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Peter Pan / Re: Peter and Wendy movie and Come Away
« on: November 18, 2020, 08:14:17 AM »
Thank you very much for your kind words Hannah!
And I definitely love it too when people can see Peter Pan, and other stories, in their own ways!

In my opinion, Peter Pan is an enigma. No one, not even Barrie, can really pin him down on who exactly he is or where he comes from, in the narrative or in Barrie’s real life!
You can tell Peter’s story in different ways, the most important thing for me personally, is that the storytellers stay consistent with what they’re trying to say in their narrative.

If they’re making a prequel or a sequel to Peter Pan, they HAVE to make sure to stay connected with the original Peter Pan story and make sure that their story and the original story are aligned in some way, so that it all makes sense, other wise the story fails! That’s the main problem with all of the prequels and sequels made to Peter Pan so far, 2015’s Pan, the Syfy Neverland miniseries, and Hook, even though I actually like the last two. I’ve also read that that was the problem with book prequels and sequels like Peter and the Starcatchers, Peter Pan’s NeverWorld, and Peter Pan in Scarlet.

And if the storytellers are making a different version of the original Peter Pan story, they have to stay consistent within their own version of the story.

Peter Pan the character can be whoever the storyteller wants the character to be! A girl, a boy, transgender, white, black, or any race!

Based on the trailers I’ve seen from Come Away, it seems to be about a girl and boy siblings (I think they might be twins?) who happened to be named Alice and Peter that use the stories of Alice in Wonderland and Peter Pan to help them and have comfort from whatever troubling times they’re going through. And that is a really good concept!

But of course I won’t have a real opinion on the movie until I actually see it!

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Peter Pan / Re: Seeing Peter Pan Elements in Other Films or Media
« on: November 17, 2020, 07:54:58 PM »
The Peter Pan elements I can think of is, children discovering a fantasy-type world, a child having supernatural powers, Saoirse being a selkie ( I had no idea what a selkie was before seeing this movie, so it was cool to learn about that!), a boy losing a mother, though in different ways, Ben’s mom died, but Peter’s mother forgot about him. 

This is not a Peter Pan element, but a Llewelyn-Davies boy element, Ben seems to have a fear of water, similar to Michael Llewelyn-Davies. But Ben manages to overcome his fear, though Michael of course, never did!

You can probably think of more elements than I can, but those are the only ones I could think of!
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Peter Pan / Re: Seeing Peter Pan Elements in Other Films or Media
« on: November 17, 2020, 04:52:02 PM »
I just finished watching Song of the Sea! I loved it! It dealt with parental death and the need of the love of family so well!
And the animation was gorgeous!!
Thank you again Hannah for recommending this movie!
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Peter Pan / Re: Seeing Peter Pan Elements in Other Films or Media
« on: November 16, 2020, 03:57:25 AM »
I live in America, so I’ll definitely watch Song of the Sea and tell you what I think! Thank you for telling me where to watch it!

I would love for Miyazaki to make a Wendy movie! And even though he said he was retiring, he’s actually currently making another movie called “How Do You Live?” Thankfully, I don’t think he’ll ever truly stop making movies until he dies!
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Peter Pan / East of Kensington 2012 Short Film
« on: November 15, 2020, 01:53:11 AM »
I watched the 2012 short film East of Kensington, written and directed by Kellen Moore.

Peter Pan returns to the Darling house after their original adventures in Neverland, but suddenly he’s captured by a strange man who now lives at the Darling house.

When the stranger confronts Peter, Peter starts to question his past actions.

This film was pretty well done for what it was trying to do. It is a good and really dark little sequel to the Peter Pan story.

My only complaint is that they cast an American boy as Peter despite the fact that the film takes place in London, and I looked up the cast on IMBD and the actor that played the stranger is American but he put on a British accent for the film, why couldn’t they make Peter’s actor do the same? The filmmakers could have at least told the actor to teach himself, the actor looked as if he was 13 or 14! But other than that he was fine.

Watch the film for free on YouTube.

Link:

https://youtu.be/c4uh3spUOvg
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Peter Pan / Peter 2012 French Short Film
« on: November 14, 2020, 10:06:06 PM »
I just watched the 2012 French short film “Peter” written and directed by Nicolas Duval, and based on the 6-volume comic series “Peter Pan” by Régis Loisel.

I know very very little French so I couldn’t understand most of the dialogue, but from the visuals, I could understand the overall story.

It’s basically a prequel about how Tinker Bell, or as she’s called in French, Clochette, meets Peter Pan in London and brings him to Neverland after he’s kicked out by his alcoholic and abusive mother.
Interestingly though, in this short Peter Pan is just called Peter and Pan is a completely different character and is a satyr, not sure if he’s supposed to be the God of The Wild that Pan originally is, which is where the surname came from, and Pan is the one who tells Clochette to go to London, at least that’s what I assume he said, I don’t actually know!

Captain Hook and Smee were in the film too, but they mostly talked, so I couldn’t understand what their story was.

It’s a very short film, running at a little over 9 minutes, not including the credits, but it’s a very nice looking film! And if you can understand French, I’m sure you’ll like the film even more because you’ll understand the dialogue!

Whether you understand French or not, I’d recommend a watch since even if you don’t understand the language, the film is really short, the visuals are beautiful, and the story is quick and mostly easy enough to understand!

I would love for Duval to make a full length film version of this short!

I watched this film for free on YouTube.

Here’s the link:

https://youtu.be/330Y0CJhBaQ
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Peter Pan / Never 2009 Short Film
« on: November 14, 2020, 08:53:42 PM »
I just watched the 2009 short film “Never” written and directed by Devon Ford.

The only way I can describe this short film without spoiling anything is that it’s three segments focusing on modern versions of Tinker Bell, Captain Hook, and Peter Pan, and their stories are dark and bizarre and up to the interpretation of the viewer.

Highly recommend you watch it!

The film is available for free on YouTube.

Here’s the link:

https://youtu.be/ov1KPJ-Fpck
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Peter Pan / Never Land 2010 Short Film
« on: November 14, 2020, 07:54:11 PM »
I just watched the short film “Never Land” written and directed by Joshua Sallach.

It was a great short film! It tells a modern day retelling of the story of Peter Pan and Peter Pan is a vampire!

It’s about a vampire boy named Peter who tries to convince a hard working teenager and her vampire loving little brother, who she has to raise after their parents died, to stay with him and his band of rescued unwanted boys and leave their troubles behind. All the while, Peter is being hunted by a group of vampire slayers, whose leader is named James, or “The Captain”.

There are some dark elements in this movie. There’s this one scene I really liked where “The Lost Boys”, out of affection for Peter, are trying to collect their blood in a jar for Peter to drink! Peter actually refuses the offer as he doesn’t want to drink human blood, but it’s interesting and dark that the boys are so much on Peter’s side that they’re willing to give up their blood to satisfy him!

I highly recommend you watch it!

It’s available to watch for free on YouTube!

Here’s the link:

https://youtu.be/QPKGLoxnneQ
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Peter Pan / Re: Peter and Wendy movie and Come Away
« on: November 14, 2020, 05:13:50 PM »
Yeah I read about that! As a black person, I am definitely offended by that! Bigots have unfortunately been very talkative recently, and I think it’s because of the presidential election outcome, so they are spouting racist garbage to keep their “entitlement”! It’s just disgusting!

If I had $20 to spare to watch Come Away, I would, but unfortunately I don’t! Hopefully I will soon and whenever I do see it, I will post my thoughts on the forum!

Meanwhile, if you’re looking for something Peter Pan related to watch for free, watch the Syfy miniseries “Neverland” from 2011 on YouTube! I watched it the other day and gave my long thoughts on it here on the forum, and basically it has a lot of minor flaws, but as a movie on its own, it’s passable and enjoyable for the most part!
If you watch it, you can give your thoughts, I’d love to hear other people’s opinions about the movie!

I’m currently about to watch as many free live action Peter Pan adaptations that I can find online that seem interesting, and that a lot of people might not know about! I discovered some interesting ones this morning, mostly short films, and after I watch each one, I will share my thoughts about them on the forum!
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Peter Pan / Re: Syfy channel "Neverland" Miniseries
« on: November 13, 2020, 06:30:50 PM »
I just watched Syfy’s Neverland on YouTube, and it was okay.

The movie was better than 2015’s Pan I’ll tell you that much!

But there were some things that made no sense and bugged me!

They tried to explain some Neverland things with science gobblygook that was totally pointless and unnecessary.

For some reason, the whole movie, everybody calls fairies “tree spirits” and pixie dust “mineral dust”. Seriously, why?

It was really confusing, at least to me, what Hook’s motivation was, and his character wasn’t fleshed out enough.

Peter, Hook, and Lost Boys, go to Neverland via a magical orb thing and it’s never explained where that came from. And Hook really wants that orb at the beginning and it’s never explained why.

At one point Peter’s memory is wiped but then 10 minutes later, he gets it back and it was pointless and had no effect on anything!

This might be a spoiler, but this really annoyed and confused me, Hook getting his hand cut off on Peter’s sword and getting eaten by the crocodile (which some reason is humongous and has multiple legs) happens BY ACCIDENT! WHY????

This is a major spoiler, so I won’t go into specifics, but Hook’s backstory makes no sense! And they could have made it interesting, but for some reason they chose to give Hook this nonsensical backstory that I think they copied from a different character from another popular fantasy story, which I won’t say in case you figure it out and don’t want the secret spoiled!

And they never explain how Peter’s last name became Pan, and they never call him that! That’s the other half of his name, how could you forget to explain that!!

The filmmakers of this movie make these little confusing changes that could have very easily been rewritten and made the movie better! I know most of these are little things, but they matter to make world make sense, ESPECIALLY when you’re making a prequel that’s supposed to explain the origins of a story that most people watching the movie are familiar with!

Also the ending of the movie was rushed and confusing.

And the CGI is pretty bad, but I can mostly let that slide since this was a TV movie and not a big budget Hollywood movie!

Okay ranting over, on to the positives!

The acting in this movie is mostly very good!

I thought Charlie Rowe was excellent as Peter!

Rhys Ifans was great as Hook despite what little he’s given to work with with the writing of his character.

And the onscreen chemistry between Rowe and Ifans was very good!

I also liked that Peter and the Lost Boys called Hook “Jimmy” since that’s a nice reference to JMB being called Jimmy by some people close to him like Sylvia Llewelyn Davies!

Anna Friel was very good as the villain pirate precursor to Hook. And she could actually be intimidating at times (more than I can say about Blackbeard from Pan).

When there was no CGI, the island of Neverland looked good! Which is definitely something this movie has over the Pan movie!

The portrayal of the Native Americans was very good too it seems!

If you’re still reading this, I congratulate you and thank you!

Despite its flaws, I still recommend you watch the movie! Like I keep saying, it’s a much better Peter Pan prequel movie than Pan, and I don’t think we’ll get another prequel to P.P.’s story anytime soon!

It’s disappointing that the filmmakers didn’t make the story more like Barrie’s vision, but the movie on its own is fine, not excellent, not horrible, but fine! And there are a lot of scenes I enjoyed, great performances, and I think you’ll have a pretty good time watching it!

You can watch the movie for free on YouTube!
Here’s the link:

https://youtu.be/BVS2qbZSKGE
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Peter Pan / Re: “Peter Pan, the Boy Who Hated Mothers” Play
« on: November 13, 2020, 03:21:28 PM »
Awesome!! I actually managed to find out yesterday that the play did in fact exist! And that there was a thread on this forum about the play around the time of its premiere a whopping 10 years ago!
I hope Andrew does upload the script!
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Peter Pan / Re: “Peter Pan, the Boy Who Hated Mothers” Play
« on: November 13, 2020, 01:19:51 AM »
And just now found this article from Neverpedia.com:

http://neverpedia.com/pan/Peter_Pan%2C_or_the_Boy_Who_Hated_Mothers
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