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JMBarrie / Re: Barrie on Film (1932) -- J. B. Priestley's House
« on: May 11, 2020, 11:23:07 AM »
Yes, it's a lovely film. I don't know if it originally came from the J B Priestley website, but was posted on YouTube by the French Barrie site (which incidentally is a treasure trove of Barrie information).

I haven't been able to find much about Barrie's friendship with Priestley, but he was godfather to Priestley's son, so it must have been a close one. It was Priestley who unveiled the plaque placed in the chapel of Great Ormond Street Hospital in memory and gratitude to Barrie after his death.
Davies Family / Re: Peter Llewelyn Davies -- Later Life
« on: May 09, 2020, 12:14:53 PM »
I agree with EHuhn - an accumulation of all the traumas and worries (financial and health) coming to a head. His publishing company wasn't doing very well, he was an alcoholic and suffered from emphysema (like his brother Nico) and his wife and children all had Huntingdon's Disease. Not a good outlook for life.

As for the reason for asking Mary Hodgson questions later on in life, I think this is something people often do as they get older and start thinking of the past. They would normally ask their parents about it but in Peter's case,  he could only ask Mary.

The letters and archives that constituted the Morgue were from his family, so not part of  the Barrie estate and nothing to do with Cynthia Asquith (who on her part, as heir to Barrie's estate,  promptly sold all the correspondence with Barrie, mss, etc to Beinecke - and anything else that could raise money, of which she was always in dire need.
Davies Family / Re: Film about Davies boys
« on: March 14, 2020, 02:24:41 PM »
Well, there's Andrew Birkin's brilliant The Lost Boys TV drama which puts to shame Finding Neverland, which was a ridiculous travesty. No-one could outdo Ian Holm as JMB. If you haven't seen it yet, do!
JMBarrie / Re: Barrie’s box at the Duke of York’s
« on: March 11, 2020, 10:10:27 AM »
There is a mention in Denis Mackail's biography of JMB (p458) that he sat "again behind his little curtain in Box F." As far as I can see, that's the only reference to a box at the theatre. Perhaps the Duke of York itself can help if you contact their archive department? Let us know if you find out more.
Davies Family / Re: Jack’s children
« on: December 02, 2019, 07:12:28 PM »
I stand corrected - I had no idea that Timothy had children. He died in Canada in 1965 so it's fair to assume the children are Canadians.
Davies Family / Re: Jack’s children
« on: December 01, 2019, 04:50:00 PM »
I'm afraid not.. I tried to look up the Guinness Book of Records on Google, but could only see the most recent "most married man" - and it obviously wasn't him!
Davies Family / Re: Jack’s children
« on: December 01, 2019, 09:50:58 AM »
Sylvia (Jack's daughter) never married. She raised Henrietta as a single mother, working in advertising (she came up with the slogan “Cheese Please, Louise”). According to Henrietta, her (unnamed) father was in the Guinness Book of Records as 'Britain's Most Married Man': he married seven times but never married her mother, who came between numbers 3 and 4.
(Source: interview by Jeanette Winterson in The Times, 19 June 2003)
Davies Family / Re: Jack’s children
« on: November 27, 2019, 04:07:01 PM »
I'm not sure what Timothy LD died from but his sister Sylvia died in 1969 of breast cancer. Timothy didn't have any children but Sylvia had one daughter, Henrietta (born 1954), who died in 2011. Henrietta's death was either suicide or drug overdose.
Davies Family / Re: Jack’s Naval Career
« on: November 22, 2019, 10:34:30 PM »
Jack joined the Navy in 1910, the year Sylvia died (p429 of Denis Mackail's biography).
Peter Pan / Re: Was Tinker Bell always called Tinker Bell
« on: October 24, 2019, 01:51:43 PM »
Tink has indeed always been there, and was certainly not given her name until she was animated! In the original manuscript of the play, she was a fairy called Tippy or Tippytoe but by the time the play was first performed in 1904, she was definitely Tinker Bell (Tink for short), an ordinary fairy tinker who mended pots & pans. Barrie did make changes to the play but Tink always featured, although not in any human form: she was "played" by a darting light and "voiced" by ringing bells. The final version of the play as written by Barrie was published in 1928. Tink also featured in the novel published in 1911, and in some of the early illustrated editions of the novel, not just as a dancing light.

I don't know where you're based, but copies of the novel are quite easy to find in the UK and US (and other English-speaking countries) as the original work has been reprinted many times over the years by all major publishers - although make sure it's the unabridged version by Barrie, not the abridged version by May Byron, or adapted by Daniel O'Connor (and others). You can also find it as an ebook on Project Gutenberg ( and on this site in the database.

As for the play, again, depending on where you live: the play is still in copyright in the US but copies of editions published in the 30s and 40s can be bought on sites such as eBay or Abebook (look out for 'Uniform edition of the play' published by Scribner's in the US or Hodder & Stoughton in the UK). Sometimes used copies of the acting script published by Samuel French can also surface on eBay.

Hope this helps!
Davies Family / Re: Location of George’s death
« on: September 25, 2019, 06:44:33 PM »
See page 243 in Andrew Birkin's book:
"The battalion was advancing to drive the Germans out of St. Eloi [Sint Elooi in Flemish]... George was sitting on a bank with the others.. & died almost immediately. It was impossible to comply with his wishes and bury him there, [so] they took him and buried him in a field on the left of the road ... outside Voormezele ... and they took a lot of trouble making the grave look nice, & planting it with violets."  His body was subsequently reburied in the British War Cemetery in Voormezele, so he almost got his wish.

Hope this helps. Do let us know how the grave looks when you visited.
JMBarrie / Re: The Cause of Barrie's Impotence
« on: September 23, 2019, 06:44:17 PM »
We don't know whether he was actually impotent or simply did not have any sexual desires, which are two different things) but I wouldn't want to hazard a guess as to the cause of it.  We do know for certain that he wasn't suffering from Psychosocial Dwarfism, because there is no evidence he was malnourished as a child - by all accounts, the family lived well, if frugally perhaps but that would be normal for members of the Scottish Free Kirk. More to the point, he was not a dwarf as he measured 5 ft 3 1/2 in (161 cm) - a short stature for a man by today's standards, but it would not have been considered extremely short at the time.

By the way, mumps do not cause impotence, although it can affect a man's fertility, and I've never heard that scarlet fever can cause it.
JMBarrie / Re: JM Barrie’s will
« on: September 23, 2019, 06:21:19 PM »
I doubt very much that at his age, like you say, he left a will - or had any assets for that matter. Anything that he had would have gone to his next of kin, i.e. his surviving brothers.
JMBarrie / Re: JM Barrie’s will
« on: September 19, 2019, 10:15:30 AM »
According to the probate entry, JMB left an estate valued at £173,467 9s. 5d. A tidy sum for the times.
Davies Family / Re: Oxford County Coroner's records
« on: August 29, 2019, 09:41:00 AM »
I agree with Nicholas. Why would the University try desperately to cover up the incident? I'm pretty sure there have been far worse 'scandals' to worry about and neither Michael nor Rupert were famous in some way or another. It's not as if a member of the royalty was involved, and drownings are not rare occurrences. Moreover, why would Rupert want to kill Michael? There were several witnesses who confirmed they met Rupert and Michael on the way to the pool and they were both in a cheery mood.

The pool was well known for being dangerous for inexperienced swimmers because of its depth and treacherous whirlpools. Still today (especially during a heatwave), we hear of young people drowning in lakes, ponds, reservoirs, despite warnings, as they underestimate the power of the water and overestimate their swimming abilities.

Piers Dudgeon has his own agenda in pursuing these conspiracy theories, as he seems bent on blaming the 'curse' of JMB for all the ills that befell the LD family. I suppose his sensational alleged 'findings' (a regurgitation of other people's research to fit his own theories) do sell books, and in that sense, his books are just like tabloid papers.
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