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Peter Pan / Re: «Jas Hook at Eton» 1925 manuscript version vs 1927 speech
« on: February 21, 2021, 11:53:22 AM »
I'm a bit unclear about it as well. The headmaster obviously didn't take kindly to Hook forgiving him for landing him in trouble with the other boys - and commiserating about his eventual death - and felt it was patronising coming from a pupil, so punished him for that. A bit of Barrie's whimsy...
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Peter Pan / Re: «Jas Hook at Eton» 1925 manuscript version vs 1927 speech
« on: February 20, 2021, 02:11:00 PM »
No worries, I won't do anything yet without the go-ahead. The copyright question is confusing for this piece,  since JM Barrie's works are in the public domain worldwide, except in the US for works published after 1923 which benefit from the Copyright Extension Term Act of 1988 (giving them an extended term of 95 years from year of publication). So, Captain Hook at Eton is public domain in the UK but as it was published in the 1930s, in the US it technically comes under the Extension Act regulations. However, as this piece is not the published piece but an earlier draft, I am not sure what would apply here...

I would suggest you request permission for posting them on this website as a useful tool for anyone interested in finding out more about Barrie and Peter Pan, on the understanding that proper credit would be given to them. The scans would be low resolution with a watermark, to avoid anyone just helping themselves for their own commercial purposes. Any requests for hi-res scans would be directed to the library.

Anyway, if the library says No, that's fine, we won't post anything but just redirect enquiries to them.
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Peter Pan / Re: «Jas Hook at Eton» 1925 manuscript version vs 1927 speech
« on: February 20, 2021, 09:43:42 AM »
Fantastic, well done - and thank you for sharing! I have received the scans also, thanks.
It's also nice you didn't have to pay for these. Do you think we could share them on this database, with the appropriate credits?

Brilliant work.
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Peter Pan / Peter Pan Pageant (1928) - Liverpool
« on: February 11, 2021, 10:42:05 AM »
I have uploaded scans of the Peter Pan Pageant souvenir book on the database. Unfortunately, the images are lo-res but when I have the opportunity, I'll replace them with higher resolution. I've added the link to the Pathé News short film of the inauguration ceremony with Pauline Chase (brought back from retirement) in the title role.
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Peter Pan / Re: Peter and Wendy 2015 Movie
« on: February 05, 2021, 07:35:57 PM »
Well, good to hear Paloma Faith has one fan at least!

GOSH did have a museum, but it was very small, and more a hospital museum rather than one dedicated to Peter Pan. It did have a few Peter Pan memorabilia and books, but that's about it. It certainly didn't look like the one in the film and wasn't located in the hospital itself but in one of the small Georgian houses in the street, opposite the hospital. You could visit it by appointment but it closed around 2014 when the space was needed for administrative staff.

The hospital does have a pool, but only for patients who need aqua therapy as part of their treatment, and a patient like Lucy wouldn't be able to access it, unlike accompanied by staff. Artistic licence!

The film was aired on Christmas Day 2015 on ITV but has not aired on mainstream TV since. It is however available on Amazon Prime.
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Peter Pan / Re: Peter and Wendy 2015 Movie
« on: February 05, 2021, 01:21:11 PM »
I loved it too, and agree with all your comments. Stanley Tucci and Hazel Doupe in particular were great. My only criticism was Tinker Bell's portrayal - I thought Paloma Faith was totally wrong in the part, and the way she played Tink was so stiff it took away all the magic. A darting light and tinkling of bells would have worked so much better!

The way they intertwined the story of Lucy and Peter Pan worked so well. And by the way, although the hospital wards were recreated in a studio, they were based faithfully on what a ward at GOSH looked like. The only parts actually filmed at the hospital were at the entrance (with the Peter Pan statue) and the theatre corridor.

Diarmuid Lawrence had wanted to do this film for many years so it really meant something to him when he finally achieved his dream - before his untimely death a few years later.
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Peter Pan / Re: Peter Pan Graphic Novel
« on: January 30, 2021, 10:11:24 AM »
Delighted that you loved the graphic novel! It is (as far as I know) the only true graphic version of the story, as other versions (like the French Loisel) are re-imagined. Stephen White, the artist, has followed Barrie's story as faithfully as he could, including the text which is taken straight out of the play or novel.

As you've noticed, he's dotted the book with "Easter eggs" and it's fun to spot them. Some are probably more obscure than others, unless you know... Such as the opening image, which has Mrs Darling and Wendy in the gardens of Moat Brae on the shore of the river Nith in  Dumfries (the house where Barrie played as a child). The goat in the background comes from Peter Pan in Kensington Gardens. The nursery was inspired by the backdrop of the original productions (designed by William Nicholson). Have you spotted the iconic portraits of Barrie on the walls? On page 26, Peter Pan and the children fly over Great Ormond Street Hospital, and you can spot the figure of Barrie walking by with Luath, his Newfoundland dog, in the right hand corner. The little house built by the Lost Boys for Wendy is based on the laundry house by Barrie's birthplace cottage in Kirriemuir. The book is actually stuffed with such references and allusions - plenty more to spot! Enjoy.
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I did, thanks - and have now replied.
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Well done for researching and pursuing this and how fascinating. I'd love to see - and I'm sure others would too - so you could send them to my email here jmbarrie1860@gmail.com. Andrew and I have been transcribing more letters from JMB these last weeks, so we might be able to help with deciphering your extract. We could also upload your scans on the database if you're OK with that.

As far as copyright is concerned, since all Barrie's works are in the public domain in the EU, technically the document from NYPL should be also - unless they're looking at it from the US point of view.

Thanks again! Great work.
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Peter Pan / Re: Peter Pan at the National Theatre 2016
« on: January 15, 2021, 05:54:41 PM »
I saw Sally Cook's adaptation when it premiered at the Old Vic Theatre in Bristol two years before it came to the National Theatre. In that first production, Hook wasn't played by a woman but the actor who did was great. I also enjoyed it a lot - like Andrew said, more for the joyful spirit than anything else. My only criticism was Nana: she was played by a big burly man dressed as a woman dressed as a dog. It was too close to a panto dame and it jarred. I don't know whether they did the same at the NT.

I had my ticket for the National Theatre show, but I couldn't go at the last minute as I fell ill with flu. I was very sorry to miss it.
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General topic / Pet Cemetery
« on: January 11, 2021, 06:13:14 PM »
For anyone interested, I have uploaded some photos of the Pet Cemetery in Hyde Park (adjacent to Kensington Gardens), which is mentioned in THe Little White Bird as the "Dog's Cemetery" , which the narrator (Barrie) avoids because of Porthos, his St Bernard.

You can see some of the graves from Bayswater Road but it's not open to passing public, as it's part of Victoria Lodge. If you want to visit it properly, you have to arrange an appointment with the Park Rangers (who will expect a donation for the tour).
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Peter Pan / Re: Peter Pan Play
« on: January 10, 2021, 05:01:06 PM »
I have now added THe Peter Pan Keepsake to the database.
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Davies Family / Re: Peter and Alice Script
« on: January 10, 2021, 10:55:44 AM »
The play is exactly that: a play. It's not meant to be a documentary, but just a totally fictionalised imagining of what the two people who inspired two of the greatest classics in English literature, would have said to each other. They did actually meet in 1932, when Alice was 80 and Peter was 30 (as recounted in Alice Liddell's autobiography) but it was a very brief meeting.

I saw the play at the time, and whilst being irritated by some of the interpretations of events and characters, and allegations, I thought the acting was superb, by both Judi Dench and Ben Whishaw. I also liked the fact that the Peter Pan portrayed on stage was closer to the original than the grimacing pixie-like Disney interpretation with its silly Robin Hood costume which now seems the lazy way of depicting him (even Spielberg gave him pointy ears in Hook). The play's Peter Pan made me think of Jean Forbes-Robertson's portrayal of the 20s & 30s.

So yes, good in parts - but also frustratingly annoying in others to anyone who knows the story.
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Peter Pan / Re: Peter Pan Play
« on: January 09, 2021, 02:10:44 PM »
I suspect the script used by this community theatre in 1991 is Barrie's 1928 final version, which they would have got from the theatre agents Samuel French when they obtained a licence for their production. They probably meant that their production was based on Barrie's original play (as opposed to the many adaptations, musical or not), but not necessarily the same version as that staged in 1904.

The earliest script (or draft) is dated 1 March 1904 and is held by the Lilly Library at Indiana University. Search for "Anon: A Play" on the database here for the complete text, which Andrew has transcribed. I believe the Beinecke Library holds the rehearsal script of the 1904-05 production.

To get an idea of the differences between Barrie's original staged version and his final version first published (rather than licensed) in 1928,  the Peter Pan Keepsake* first published in 1907 by Chatto & Windus, is your best bet: it was novelised by Daniel O'Connor from the early production (later published by George Bell & Sons under the title The Peter Pan Picture Book with illustrations by Alice B. Woodward).

* I'll scan my copy and upload it on the database in the next few days.

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Peter Pan / Re: Andrew Birkin Interview for 2003 Peter Pan
« on: January 03, 2021, 08:25:40 AM »
Thanks for posting the link! I had seen this many years ago but had forgotten about it - and forgotten also who the awful interviewer was! Still, it's good to hear Andrew and Laura Duguid, and share their memories.
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