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Peter Pan / Re: Peter Pan's Dark Origins (Christian Anti-Pan Article)
« on: December 31, 2021, 12:04:33 PM »
Very true!
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Peter Pan / Re: Peter Pan's Dark Origins (Christian Anti-Pan Article)
« on: December 30, 2021, 04:55:23 PM »
Thanks for the link - it did make me laugh. What a ridiculous and nonsensical theory about Peter Pan’s origins.  But seeing it’s from an evangelical Christian site explains a lot.

Apart from the fact the article is pretty illiterate with many spelling mistakes as well as factual errors (Barrie had already met the LD boys long before his divorce for instance), the author references Piers Dudgeon whose book (not a biography, let alone an “autobiography”, more a work of fiction). Dudgeon’s book not only invents events to fit his own twisted theories but has also plagiarised Andrew Birkin’s work and uses quotes out of context.  The story of Sylvia’s will that was falsified for nefarious purposes has long been debunked.

I would also add the reference to the film Pan’s Labyrinth doesn’t make sense since the original tile is The Faun’s Labyrinth as American & British distributors thought “Pan” would be better understood. The god Pan is not a faun.


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Peter Pan / Re: Peter Pan 1924
« on: December 30, 2021, 04:33:53 PM »
In answer to (some of) your questions:

Roger Lancelyn Green in his book 50 Years of Peter Pan writes that Barrie was “greatly disappointed” and quotes the latter’s reaction after seeing the film for the first time: “It is only repeating what is done on the stage, and the only reason for a film should be that it does the things the stage can’t do.”  It had already been a disappointment that his own scenario, with his very far-seeing vision of special effects wasn’t used. He did approve of Betty Bronson though, as he had selected her himself.

One would suspect he didn’t think much of the American flavour, as he was a proud British man, as well as a proud Scot., and the play has so many references to its Englishness, from Eaton to King George.

Great Ormond St Hospital did not benefit from the film since it was made 5 years before Barrie gifted his copyright to the hospital and there were no royalties payable, before or after.

I have no idea about Alan Hale being one of the pirates, and like you, couldn’t find any mention.

I loved your dad’s anecdote, very funny.







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Davies Family / Re: Peter and university
« on: November 21, 2021, 05:27:03 PM »
He didn't. Towards the end of the war, he started a relationship with the artist Vera Willoughby, with whom he lived after demob. According to Nico (in his correspondence with Sharon Goode between 75-78):

"Peter entirely loved her, and I would say it was entirely mutual. When he was demobilised they set up house together and they lived together for a number of years. Certainly in Epping, maybe London before that. I think his first business was to do with old furniture etc. (...) I saw Vera from time to time and much liked her. The so-called break came after Michael was drowned: but it was really Vera insisting that Peter should not throw his whole life away etc. Heaven knows (I never really spoke about it) how painful the parting will have been: but Peter greatly helped save J.M.B.’s reason and from the moment he entered the book trade they obviously had an extra bit in common. Vera did not cut herself right out, in fact she illustrated many of the books that made Peter’s name as a publisher of exquisite taste if poor sales!"


After he learnt the publishing trade (with Barrie's backing and help from the publishers Walter Blaikie in Edinburgh and Hodder & Stoughton in London), he set up his own imprint in 1926.
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JMBarrie / Re: J.M. Barrie's Ladies' Swimming Society
« on: November 13, 2021, 01:58:40 PM »
I've read it a while back and would not recommend it to anyone, particularly anyone interested in Barrie and his works, as it's got nothing to do with him (apart from the title of the novel).  The story is based in Stanway, the Earl of Wemyss's home and Cynthia Asquith's childhood home, which Barrie rented out for a few summers in the 1920s. Apart from that, it's a very (very!) slight story about a young woman "finding herself" thanks to some ladies' swimming club. It's not particularly well written and is  full of clichés, especially about English village life as imagined by non-British authors who've never lived there. There were one or two references to Barrie and Peter Pan in the novel, but these were not even accurate... In brief, I wouldn't bother!
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Peter Pan / Re: Best Beloved Bindings
« on: November 09, 2021, 10:16:42 PM »
Couldn't agree more!
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Peter Pan / Re: Best Beloved Bindings
« on: November 04, 2021, 01:50:46 PM »
I like the Raquel Jaramillo edition but I agree with you it doesn't quite capture the spirit of the story. I think you're right: it's probably the only photo edition, unless you count the Peter Pan Keepsake published in 1907 using photos of the original productions with Nina Boucicault, Cecilia Loftus and Pauline Chase (also uploaded on the database).

Another sweet little edition (very much abridged) is the one illustrated by Kathleen Atkins (on the database), perfect for very young children but probably too twee, without any darker connotations.

How about the least favourites? One I really dislike is Paula Rego's 1993 edition. However acclaimed an artist she is, I do find her illustrations quite repellent in a way, which is very likely the effect she wanted. But not for me. https://www.artfund.org/supporting-museums/art-weve-helped-buy/artwork/5282/peter-pan-suite-of-15-etchings

I love Sabuda's work and expected so much of his pop-up but was sadly disappointed. I find it lacked warmth and humour, and his red-headed Peter didn't do anything for me.

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Peter Pan / Re: Best Beloved Bindings
« on: October 31, 2021, 04:37:44 PM »
Totally agree with you, Hannah!

I know the Folio Society edition and, although it is lavish, it just doesn't do it for me as I find the illustrations a little flat and unimaginative. My favourite edition is Gwynedd M. Hudson's edition from the early 1930s. It's not just the full page illustrations, but also the layout of each page, the font used, the hand-lettering, the vignettes dotted about the book. Her interpretation of the story is based on the novel, not the stage production. It also helps that I love Art Deco.

My other favourite is Edmund Blampied's 1939 edition which has some exquisite tipped-in plates (in the British edition, the US used printed illustrations).

I have uploaded the illustrations from both these editions on the database so you can have a look for yourself.

I like Bedford's work of course, but I wish the images were in full colour!
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Davies Family / Re: Michael’s Major at Oxford?
« on: August 21, 2021, 12:42:47 PM »
Michael took Mods (or Moderations) in Latin and Greek, the first part of the Classics degree course known as Literae Humaniores (also known as Greats) and yes, he did seriously think of studying art in Paris instead of going to Oxford, but Barrie dissuaded him from taking that path. (Michael was again tempted the following year but changed his mind.)

By 'school', I assume you mean college/university years? Michael went to Oxford in January 1919. I think a Classics degree requires 4 years so by the time of his death in 1921, he had only done 2 years.
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JMBarrie / Re: Letter to A.E. Housman
« on: August 11, 2021, 08:11:11 AM »
Hi Dani. Thanks for transcribing the letters between JMB and Housman - very funny! Also thanks for the other letters, all fascinating and a great contribution to this site.
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Peter Pan / Re: Disney’s Peter Pan and Wendy Casting Decisions
« on: August 08, 2021, 04:39:21 PM »
I agree we shouldn't judge the film before it comes out, but the changes Disney has brought in are jarring. But then, they've got form since the animated film already diverted from the original. For a start, the animated Hook and Mr Darling were already made to look very different. Then Curly became "Cubby" (is it still Cubby in the new film?) and they never had the key scene of "We believe in fairies". Still adding more lost boys and girls seems pointless. I'm also not entirely happy about being Lost Girls since, according to Peter Pan/Barrie, "girls are far too clever to fall out of their prams".
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Peter Pan / Re: Peter Pan Representation in London
« on: July 27, 2021, 04:20:58 PM »
The main problem with regard to Peter Pan merchandise, outside of Disney, is that there isn't just one representation of the characters. As it started as a play with different actors and costumes every few years, and the first illustrated edition coming out a few years later, there never was one depiction that made its mark (unlike say, Winnie the Pooh as illustrated by E H Shepard which established the characters from first day of publication). So the depictions changed over the years according to design and propriety trends - for instance, Peter's costume changed from the full red suit complete with jerkin, shirt, leggings to a green skimpy leafy costume, or a pseudo-Robin Hood attire.

There was some merchandise based on Frampton's statue in Kensington Gardens in the 1920s, but after the copyright went to GOSH, there wasn't so much as it wasn't a priority for them (especially after the hospital was incorporated into the NHS), apart from the Peter Pan League created in 1930 with a logo designed by EH Shepard himself. GOSH's hospital shop and mail order shop does offer some Peter Pan items but in a limited way. It is now complicated by the fact that Disney owns most of the trademarks in the characters, so other would-be merchandisers wouldn't be able to produce stuff based on a different design.

I have seen quite a few Disney things such as mugs, snow globes, etc on eBay but suspect there will be more Disney merchandise coming out when their new film is released.

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Peter Pan / Re: Peter Pan Representation in London
« on: July 26, 2021, 08:31:55 PM »
Yes, it's a great shame that neither Barrie nor Peter Pan have a museum in London! A few years ago, an attempt was made to create a museum dedicated to JMB in his house at 100 Bayswater Road (where he wrote the play) but there was not enough backing, financially or otherwise to make it happen. Great Ormond St Hospital doesn't have the resources to run a Peter Pan museum, as it's part of the NHS and the money wouldn't be allowed to go to such a project. They do however have a Peter Pan statue at their entrance, a Peter Pan Ward and a Tinker Bell play area.

Apart from that, the Victoria & Albert Museum have a Peter Pan display (featuring among other things the harness used to fly in the original productions) and the London Museum also has a window displaying Pauline Chase's Peter Pan costume in the 1907 production. There is also a Peter Pan Park in South East London, on the spot of the original Peter Pan playground created in the 1920s with Barrie's blessing.

Incidentally, Peter Pan no longer has a playground in Kensington Gardens as it was revamped and renamed Princess Diana Memorial Playground after her death.

Of course, if you go to Scotland, you will find Barrie's Birthplace in Kirriemuir, a museum dedicated to JMB and Peter Pan (with statue) and Moat Brae in Dumfries (which claims to be the birthplace of Peter Pan - among many other cities...).

Unfortunately, a Peter Pan gift shop would most probably be taken over by Disney merchandise...
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That's lovely to hear! It's good to know he's not forgotten. Thanks for that.
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JMBarrie / William Nicholson and R.C. Sherriff
« on: April 17, 2021, 03:45:41 PM »
Andrew has added in the database the excerpt from Marguerite Steen's biography of William Nicholson relating his meeting with JMB who commissioned him to design the scenery and costumes for the first production of Peter Pan - a great read, about their meeting, how Nicholson went about to design the intricate scenery and costumes and… what Barrie thought about Brussels sprouts.

I have also now added the chapter from R C Sherriff's autobiography (No Leading Lady about his own meeting with JMB in his Adelphi Terrace flat. It's quite poignant, but also funny, particularly the story of the chocolate cake...

Search for "William Nicholson" and "R.C. Sherriff" in the database.
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