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Peter Pan / Re: What is Neverland?
« on: January 08, 2011, 07:27:07 AM »
Though Barrie explicitly tells us (the readers) what Neverland is, he hints at other, implicit, meanings and definitions.
Barrie himself seems to stand on unstable ground on the topic of the Neverland: "it is all rather confusing, especially as nothing will stand still." There are multiple theories out there (it just goes to prove how persistent adults are at over-thinking things C: ), one of which suggests that Neverland is the afterlife/heaven.
One of my close friends and I actually had a discussion on Neverland and whether or not it is a "shared space" (if it were real) in the minds of all children. We discussed how if we were to both visit Neverland, would the trees be the same? Would the landscape appear differently to each of us? What if I see two mountains and she sees only one? If the Neverland is a dreamscape representing a child's ideal reality, no doubt one child's paradise would differ from another's - contrary to the idea that the Neverland, in being a 'shared space', does not change; there is no variation from child to child.
In short, is Barrie's Neverland a preexisting place that does not change (a "shared space"), or does it appear differently from child to child? These two arguments both appear in the novel, but obviously contradict one another, bringing up the notion that this was Barrie's intent; a child projects his or her reality unto the real world, filling it with the mundane as well as the fantastical. The world, in a sense, does not change, but a child's imagination does, filling his reality with that which suits his concept of paradise. The world becomes the Neverland to a child, and though the landscape of the world does not change (as it is a shared space), the child colors it vibrantly with his mind (making it an ideal reality).

~~On a less scholarly note: I think I managed to type "reality" and "child" about 50 times. Just goes to show you what happens to one's vocabulary at 11:30 PM. C: (goodnight!)
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Peter Pan / Re: Inspired by Peter Pan
« on: January 08, 2011, 04:59:44 AM »
Welcome to the forum, Forrest :D
Poetry is a difficult style of art to pull off, and I have to say, you do it with marvelous grace. As AlexanderDavid already pointed out, you captured many of the themes of Barrie's story within your poem. A few of these themes strike me on a personal level, and for that I applaud you.
It's so very sad to me that I cannot fly to the Island with the ease I used to exercise as a child. Only when I listen closely - "Listen out and listen in," as Mrs. McCaughrean would say - can I once again set my feet into the sand and imagine. I hope the day never comes that I cannot discern the crash of waves from the clamor of everyday life.
Your beautiful poem reminds me of the reality in which we all live; only when we get older do we realize the gnarled and ridged surface on which we've always stood is the Crocodie's hide, the sharp pricks we felt as children the tips of eager teeth, the sound of our beating hearts the mechanical click of Time's gears ~ that sinister, haunting elegance.

Don't apologize for a work of art that might not resonate with a handful of people. Your writing is fluid and graceful, and it was a pleasure to read.
Thank you for sharing. Please keep up the great work C:
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Peter Pan / Re: Hook & Jill
« on: December 02, 2010, 07:19:07 AM »
I always read a book with an open mind, but when the character of James Hook is involved, I become quite jaded. Hook's character, for me, is something that cannot - should not - ever be violated or reduced. To admit, I was a little frightened of what I might find in Jones' book.
I was surprised to the extreme. Reading -Hook and Jill- was remarkable on many degrees, all of which stunned me.
Andrea Jones managed to handle every scene of the novel with refinement and grace, a rarity in fanfiction. The story flowed beautifully. Symbolic motifs reoccured throughout. The development of character was stunning, and I was constantly reminded of why I love Hook's character so much...his elegance, his patience, his sensitivity.
This was an absolute jewel of a book to read.
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Peter Pan / Re: Hook & Jill
« on: November 24, 2010, 06:16:35 AM »
I've ordered -Hook and Jill- from Amazon so it should be arriving next week or so. Based off of many of your comments, it seems like an all around good read...I'm very excited to start reading. Hurrah!
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Peter Pan / Re: Peter Pan sequel commissioned by GOSH
« on: November 24, 2010, 06:14:23 AM »
Peter Von Brown has responded with the following information:

I can relate to Brown's described disenchantment. Although I've never published, I'm currently working on a novel and understand the insane amount of work it takes to not only write, but also seek a publisher (let alone an editor). In particular with writing -Peter Pan- sequels, prequels, etc., one can feel greatly disheartened when another author's work is released...I know I was shocked when I learned of -Peter Pan in Scarlet-. Because -Peter Pan- is such a well-known story, it's frustrating as an author to have your very own, personal interpretation - one to which you may have ground quite close - be "scrambled about", as it were, by another. But really, when writing anything -Peter Pan- related, one's bound to hit more than a few snags, discover multiple hoops through which to jump, and have great difficulty deciding to which audience one should write...difficulties associated with writing most any novel.
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Peter Pan / Re: Peter Pan sequel commissioned by GOSH
« on: November 13, 2010, 12:46:17 AM »
That's too bad...I've read a few books like that, and it's wretched. Ah well.
I've never heard of Peter Pan's Neverworld...I'll have to look into it. I've gotten a lot of suggestions for Peter Pan related books, I just have to buy them.
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Peter Pan / Re: Peter Pan sequel commissioned by GOSH
« on: November 11, 2010, 06:10:33 PM »
Perhaps. Some of the errors she made are a little ridiculous, or even thick-headed (not being able to fly without a shadow? What about Pan in the first book loosing his?)...but I still don't think these errors completely take away from the sequel air (aside from the pointless epilogue, which makes no sense on a literary standpoint).
For me, the continuity issues are outweighed by the novel's symbols/motifs (of Time, dreams, and the Past), underlying messages, and occasionally poetic language. I really enjoy reading books with symbolic depth and fluid, consistent themes - hence my enjoyment of Scarlet. But really, as I said before, each person likes to see - or prefers to not see - different things in each book they read.
 
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Peter Pan / Re: Peter Pan sequel commissioned by GOSH
« on: November 11, 2010, 04:29:28 AM »
There are many fans of -Peter Pan- I've met who didn't like Scarlet at all. I mostly hear what you've said above: it's not the same. The story is melancholy; the characters are more brittle than the original; the Neverland isn't what it was in Barrie's book. But, from how I understand it, that was McCaughrean's intent.
-Peter Pan in Scarlet- is, at least for me, a rather moving book for a novel intended for children. I empathize with Ravello, that tragic character who longs for the past but is powerless to wish it back; a character who has experienced horrific trials and instead of running from them, faces them, broken, but defiant. Ravello listens out and listens in...much like me.
And Pan. Peter's metamorphosis and eventual fall into the abyss of despair shows us something Barrie really didn't: Peter's humanity. As much as many fans of the One-and-Only-Child probably won't like to hear this, I really do like how McCaughrean took Peter's immortality away. She gave Peter weakness, thus giving her plot depth; her characters life.
I don't believe this sequel is the Anti-Peter Pan so much as a wake up call. McCaughrean's Neverland is dangerous, even deadly. It's a gritty world much like our own, where all of our decisions and actions have consequences; where the test of courage is weighed heavily upon our shoulders; where we often look ahead to brighter times - the peaks of mountains - but sometimes find nothing but memories of a distant past, haunting, ever haunting, and despair. In -Peter Pan in Scarlet-, McCaughrean took Barrie's dream-world of a child's ideal reality and washed a bit of the real world into it. Yes the story may be grim and dark, the language choppy and clipped, but it has much to say about the world in which we live.
In regard to the epilogue, however, I must say I don't believe it was entirely necessary. McCaughrean must have tacked it on for some reason other than this, but I have a creeping suspicion she only put it there because the novel "needed" a clean, happy end. Without the epilogue, the story would have ended on a rather dark note, something that is simply unheard of in most children's literature. Though it does wrap the story up, it wasn't entirely necessary and is thus awkward.
All in all though, I really enjoyed the book for its gritty messages and dark themes. It contrasts with Barrie's original, but in a tasteful, welcome way (to me, at least). But, as always, to each his own!
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Peter Pan / Re: Peter Pan sequel commissioned by GOSH
« on: November 10, 2010, 06:23:53 AM »
I've read McCaughrean's book upwards twenty times, and discover new things each time I read it. To be brief, it is a marvelous book in my opinion, written with startling fluidity and grace. It has depth of plot, wondrous twists and turns, and really does allow my imagination to run wild. Despite rather weak characterization and a few plot holes, I believe McCaughrean did justice to Barrie's original, keeping the language light, but the meaning deep. 
I'm quite excited to see how the movie will turn out...let alone who will be casted.
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Peter Pan / Re: Editing the Play: a New Message
« on: October 18, 2010, 05:47:05 AM »
Thanks for all your responses, guys!
I'm now editing the play, but most likely won't be able to put it on until 2014 or so (as a senior culminating exhibition). Within the next two years, however, I actually hope to write an orchestral score to accompany the play...so, I'll basically end up with a -Peter Pan- symphony. I hope to divide the symphony into 6 pieces (for each of the six acts), each with three/four movements. Once that's done, I can start moving toward fleshing out the play.

Ah! This will be one huge project, but I'm looking forward to the work.
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Peter Pan / Re: Editing the Play: a New Message
« on: October 05, 2010, 01:02:58 AM »
WOW! Responses! So exciting. C:
AlexanderDavid:
It is difficult to change Barrie's play for exactly the reason you stated. Because I'm appealing to (mainly) a college student audience, certain aspects of Barrie's messages would be highlighted while others would remain in the background. Most, if not all of my classmates understand that one message of -Peter Pan- is that of youthful joy in remaining young at heart. But other, usually darker themes, such as that of 'memento mori' ("Remember you must die") and  "The readiness is all" (courage in accepting death), are less obvious. It is my wish that in editing, I'll be able to highlight these themes, and so appeal to my adult audience. Very, very little of the play will actually be cut. In fact, I'm technically expanding the play, keeping a close eye on sustaining Barrie's tone and meter.
What Hook says is what I'm mainly concerned with. I plan to take away much of his pirate jargon, swaying more toward the collegiate intelligence I personally prefer and we all know he possesses. Hook's character highlights most of the darker themes of -Peter Pan-, and so I'd like to expand on the idea that he's not a villain, but a man..."a solitary enigma" a tortured soul. The lighthearted air of the play will still remain, but Hook's personality - represented through his quotes - will accent darker themes, and so give a little more depth to the play than what my classmates expect.
Specifically, I'd be giving Hook a few soliloquies (maybe in Act II and possibly Act III/IV) in which he'd probably reflect on the crocodile a little more and question the righteousness (form) of what he is doing. I do plan to put in a few latin phrases, possibly a small section of "Carmen Etonense" (in which case I'd need to contact Eton College.), and one or two -Hamlet- quotes.
Also, in our rather critical times, the "primitive" language of the Indians could be taken as an affront to many in the audience, so I would be changing the way in which they speak (I have them speaking 'regular' English). This would, I imagine and hope, keep the audience's mind from wandering. "Wow. That's racist!", is a thought I'd rather not have cross anyone's mind, so I'll avoid that altogether.

If you have any other questions or suggestions, just add them :D

Christine:
I live in the United States. I'll shoot you an email from my school mail.
AH! That's quite a relief...about the copyright.
Barrie purists are what I'm a little nervous about, but because my school is fairly small (about 15,000 in a state where most public colleges are around 25,000 to 45,000 students), I really don't think I'll come across anyone as critical over the play as me.
Thanks for the info!
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Peter Pan / Editing the Play: a New Message
« on: October 04, 2010, 06:50:39 AM »
Hey guys.

I'm thinking about directing -Peter Pan- at my college. I've never directed theatre before, but it'll be a learning experience to an extreme, and I'm quite excited for it.
However, I'd like to 'edit' certain sections of Barrie's play (notably cutting the "savage" language of the Indians and also adding some more Hook quotes/soliloquies). I'd be changing the MESSAGE of the play slightly (to suit my audience (college students)), but not the overall story.
From what I understand, it's fairly common for theatre directors to cut and even change sections of a play to suit the message they're trying to convey. But because Barrie's play is shrouded in copyright, I'm wondering about legality issues in regard to a director's creative license.
Also, how do you guys - an intellectual bunch of -Peter Pan- nuts like me - feel about sections of the play, and the message, being altered? Mind you, I'm most certainly NOT changing the story :D (I like it too much as it stands)
Better yet, do you have any suggestions?

~SingsWithRavens
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Peter Pan / Re: What is Neverland?
« on: October 04, 2010, 06:36:09 AM »
Dissecting this play and novel is amazing. It opens up soooo many possibilities, it's insane.
I really like when authors are 'in' their books, but in a rather discrete way; it makes for such an interesting read, and the characters seems so much more rich.
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Peter Pan / Re: What is Neverland?
« on: September 29, 2010, 09:50:25 PM »
That's pretty much what I imagine Neverland is meant to be; a blank canvas that becomes covered in paint as a child dreams.
I also believe it is meant to represent the ideal reality from a child's point of view. Neverland, filled with exciting dangers and overflowing with adventure, is just what a child wishes the real world to be - little order and discipline, adventures (real or imaginary...whichever one chooses), few adults to spoil the fun, but just enough to invoke challenge.
However, in regards to -Peter Pan- as the novel and play, Barrie's personal Neverland seems to be more of an arena. It is a well known theory that Barrie is Peter, but it is also known that Barrie based Hook off of himself (see the Dedication to the Five essay). The way I read and understand the play is that Barrie's story is conveying an internal battle that was occurring within himself in real life. Peter represents eternal youth and joy, a trait Barrie most certainly admired and wished for. Barrie, the way I see it, split his personality in two - into Peter and Hook - and turned Neverland (his ideal reality) into an arena in which the more desired personality (the fun-loving, free youth that is Pan) could overcome the strict, harsh, unwanted character (Hook). Hook is a confused character, chasing always after his youth, running aways from his inevitable mortality and Barrie, in fleshing out his Neverland, created an arena in which he could throw out, as it were, these unwanted traits, and become youthful and free again.

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Peter Pan / Re: "Floreat Etona!" and "Bad form!"
« on: September 11, 2010, 03:57:44 PM »
AH! That makes a lot of sense! Thanks for the info C:
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