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Peter Pan / Re: Peter Pan and Wendy Featurette
« Last post by Dani1923 on April 14, 2023, 06:45:50 PM »
No problem Andrew! Thank you so much for replying!
I will also be doing my own review of the movie after it comes out (actually I’ll be doing multiple reviews based on first impressions after seeing the movie once and then more reviews after multiple viewings), but I look forward very much for your thoughts on the movie!
I am actually about to post some thoughts that I had watching the featurette. Please feel free to read them if you like!
Much love to you Andrew and I hope you have a great day!
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Peter Pan / Re: Peter Pan and Wendy Featurette
« Last post by andrew on April 14, 2023, 05:16:15 PM »
Thanks so much Dani for keeping us posted. I ain't holding my breath, but will reserve judgement for when I've seen it ...
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Peter Pan / Peter Pan and Wendy Featurette
« Last post by Dani1923 on April 14, 2023, 04:11:52 PM »
Disney just dropped a featurette for the film Peter Pan and Wendy and it includes scenes that are not seen in the trailers, shots of behind the scenes stuff and interviews with the cast and the director David Lowery.

https://youtu.be/r_wwamyl4w4
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Peter Pan / Some Thoughts About Peter Pan and Wendy
« Last post by Dani1923 on April 13, 2023, 12:31:27 AM »
I keep thinking about what will happen in the upcoming Peter Pan movie, so I’m sharing some thoughts I have here.
I have a feeling Peter Pan and Wendy will be better than at least the animated version and the 2003 movie. However, I still think it will far from a movie adaptation of Peter Pan that I wish I could see. After watching the second trailer many times, I’ve noticed Barrie’s dialogue has been replaced with more modern dialogue (I don’t mean they speak like there are in the 2020s, the story still takes place in the early 20th Century, but they speak more generic and not specifically from that era, if that makes sense.), which I don’t have a big problem with but also I think they’re going to modernize the story, which, duh, of course they were going to do, but I mean not just modernizing the things that needed to be like the Native Americans and Wendy being able to join in the fight at the end. Basically the story and the characters are going to go through the same story beats, but in a more modern way. And my problem with that is that that means they are probably not going to include certain pieces of dialogue from the original story. Like “To die will be an awfully big adventure!” or the “kiss” scene (which I can tell from looking at the trailers that they didn’t include it). Also they’re going to take away some of the themes from the original story, like the most important to me that I keep talking about with the theme of motherhood.
Basically, I think this adaptation will be good for general audiences to enjoy, but maybe not for the more deep into the lore Pan Fans like me and a great many of you on this forum. Which, yeah, I already knew the movie was mostly going to be like that, but I at least hoped they would still keep some of Barrie’s original dialogue and most of the themes, especially the motherhood theme, but perhaps I was very naive for even thinking that this version might do that.
But at least I think this version will be good, but like good in a way that’s the minimum of my, and probably many of your, expectations, and I guess that’s better than nothing.
Also I can say that I think this Disney live-action remake will be much better than a lot of the remakes that have come out in recent years, especially the ones that have come out in the 2020s so far like Mulan and Pinocchio and it will probably be much better than the upcoming Little Mermaid remake.
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Peter Pan / Re: Official Peter Pan and Wendy Trailer!
« Last post by Dani1923 on April 13, 2023, 12:27:52 AM »
Here are additional things I have to say about the second trailer:
* Although I like how Peter looks for the most part, like his costume (When I first saw what Peter’s costume was going to look like before the trailers came out, I didn’t like it, but now I think it looks fine. Although some people on this forum might not like his pointy elf-like looking shoes), I wish they made him look like a real wild boy. I said previously that the Lost Boys and girls looked like they had a little dirt on them, but Peter is completely clean and his hair is perfectly groomed! He should look similar to a feral child like Victor from the film The Wild Child. Even characters in other Disney remakes like Mowgli from The Jungle Book and Pete from Pete’s Dragon look like they’ve been raised in the jungle or the forest for years and they’re dirty, have scratches on their body and have wild hair. And David Lowery directed Pete’s Dragon, so I don’t know why he didn’t make Peter look similar to Pete, and Peter has lived in Neverland his entire life, probably much much longer than Mowgli or Pete lived in their respective places since Peter aged slowly after being a baby and then stopped aging when he became an older boy (at least that’s what I believe), so he could have lived in Neverland for hundreds of years! So why does he look so clean??
* I said before that I didn’t like Captain Hook’s costume, but actually I don’t like how he looks in general, and I realized some reasons why. First of all, his hair! His hair is specifically described as being “long dark curls which look like black candles at a distance”, but this version he has straight grey hair for some reason?? Almost every other screen adaptation of Peter Pan has Hook having long curly black hair, or at least just long black hair in the animated version. The exception is the 2015 Pan movie, but Hook was portrayed as a young man in that one, but this movie is the only version where Hook is portrayed as he is in the original story as the captain without having his signature black hair. Maybe they made it grey to make him seem older, but that’s not necessary, and again goes against what he’s supposed to look like according to Barrie! And this may be a personal preference, but I don’t like Hook’s hat. I realized that it looked like Napoleon’s hat, and I thought maybe that could be a reference to Peter wearing a Napoleon-like hat and standing like Napoleon in very early productions of the play? But in every other screen adaptation of Hook as captain, he wears a big pirate captain looking hat, which of course makes sense. To me, him having a much bigger hat compared to the other pirates shows his authority and he’s above everyone else on the ship because he’s the captain. Again, not sure why they changed it!
* On closer inspection, it looks like the Lost Boys and Lost Girls live in an abandoned castle, like I said before I don’t why there’s any kind of building in Neverland. It looks it was made by regular adults, not Peter or Lost Children or the fairies. Also since they live in a castle, they don’t live in a home under the ground, which is a bummer.
* Another nitpick, Peter carries around a sword, but I wish he carried a dagger like in the play and book.
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Peter Pan / Re: Official Peter Pan and Wendy Trailer!
« Last post by Dani1923 on April 10, 2023, 09:16:37 PM »
Peter Pan and Wendy Trailer Notes 2:
* Just like in most of the film adaptations, the reason Wendy wants to go to Neverland is because she’s afraid of growing up, and according to the plot description, she’s trying to avoid going to boarding school. Glad they’re doing that instead of the “being afraid to be a woman” thing that they did in the 2003 movie! But what I’m curious about is that Mary Darling says, “You can’t stop time Wendy, whether you like it or not.” and then there’s a close-up of a watch. Obviously, this is a way of foreshadowing the clock in the crocodile’s mouth and Hook’s fear of the ticking and the crocodile eating him, but this makes me think that time might be a theme in this version? Or maybe it’s just perpetuating Wendy’s fear of growing up while also being a bit of foreshadowing. Now that I think about it, that’s probably what it is.
* It looks like Tinker Bell is helping Peter Pan kidnap Wendy by using her dust to make her fly out the window. I am glad they are still making Peter do wrong things like kidnapping, and that’s something that Barrie would approve of since Peter tries to kidnap Wendy in the play and book before she willingly agrees to fly away with him, but the fact that Tink is helping him and not being jealous probably means that she won’t be jealous or hate Wendy in this movie like all the other adaptations, which is disappointing. This is further evidenced from in the last trailer where it looks like Wendy is brought down and almost killed from a fall in Neverland from almost being hit by a cannon from the pirates, and not from Tink trying to kill her. But I’m not surprised by this since Disney has been trying to make Tinker Bell nicer since those saccharine direct-to-DVD movies about her.
* I think the way they fly to Neverland is cool in this version. They’re not flying through weird CGI looking outer space like the 2003 movie did!
* Neverland itself looks good.
* Despite the fact we haven’t seen that much of them in the trailers, I like the Lost Boys and Lost Girls so far. I know the movie Hook has it’s flaws, but the Lost Boys in that movie were fun and energetic and the Lost Children in this movie give me that vibe. I also like that they don’t look too clean, you can at least see a little bit dirt on their faces and clothes. And I like their costumes.
* Captain Hook kills a pirate! Yay! It’s hard to tell, but he uses his gun to shoot a pirate through the door and the door falls on the pirate’s corpse. If you look closely, you can see the bullet hole in the door. Jude Law’s performance as Captain Hook however, though little has also been shown of him, is not winning me over. And I don’t like his costume.
* “All your times are old Captain!” Very happy that there’s some cockiness in Peter! I’m glad there’s much more of Peter in this trailer overall!
* The first fight between Peter and Hook looks like it’s going to be in their version of Skull Rock and not Marooner’s Rock, although it is a remake of the animated film after all, so that’s not really a problem. Although whether Peter will say his iconic line “To die will be an awfully big adventure!”, which they didn’t do in the animated version but have done in other adaptations, we’ll have to wait and see.
* Not sure what that Christmas scene is about or who’s flying an airplane and for what reason in this movie, but again, we’ll see.
* It looks like in this version, Wendy will walk the plank and Tink will save her with pixie dust.
* Looks like the Native Americans are being portrayed more accurately, so that’s good!
* There’s a scene of Mary Darling, Nana, and a very young Wendy and John having a picnic in a park. Could it be Kensington Gardens? I hope so!
* Very happy this version will have the Lost Boys and Girls stay with the Darling family in the end, which they changed in the animated version with the Lost Boys staying in Neverland.
* In the teaser trailer breakdown, I said I hoped they didn’t kill off George Darling in this, and, thankfully, it doesn’t look like they have because he’s seen with the Lost Children when they are in the Darling nursery and wanting to live with the Darlings. I recognized the actor playing George, Alan Tudyk, in the scene.
* Tiger Lily is going to help fight the pirates in the final battle scene, so that’ll be cool to see!
* The final part shown in the trailer looks like the ending of the movie. Peter has taken the Darling children and the Lost Children to London and Peter is sitting on the roof of the complex where the Darlings live and Wendy goes to sit with him and you can see the Jolly Roger floating above them. Wendy is telling Peter that growing up might be the greatest adventure of all. First of all, they spoiled the ending of Wendy’s arc of her fear of growing up by putting this in the trailer. Second, Wendy seems to be about to have a similar conversation with Peter that Mary Darling has with him in the play and novel about offering him to stay with the Darlings too and grow up, but of course Peter refuses to grow up! Once again, it’s very disappointing to me personally that Mary isn’t having this conversation with Peter because it perpetuates the theme of motherhood that is present in the play and novel. Only the 1924 silent film has had the conversation with Mary and Peter take place. But no adaptation been made so far that emphasizes the themes of motherhood like the play and especially the novel do. Maybe Mary will join Wendy and Peter on the roof to join in on the conversation, but I highly doubt it.
* I will say though, about that last scene we see, from the look on Peter’s face, it looks like we’ll see the sensitive side of Peter as well as his cockiness! This makes me very happy! The animated version made Peter practically unlikable because the filmmakers for whatever reason decided to show Peter’s cruel and cocky side, but not his sensitive side at all! Other adaptations either make him too sweet (the musical!) or with the 2003 version, they showed his cruel and cocky side, but though they tried to show him being sensitive too, they executed it poorly because they make those feelings imply that Peter has romantic feelings for Wendy, which is not accurate to Peter’s character at all! Hopefully this version will have the right balance and NOT make Peter have an inkling of romantic feelings for Wendy!

Overall, I really liked this trailer, and it gives me a bit more hope that this version might be good!
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Peter Pan / Re: Official Peter Pan and Wendy Trailer!
« Last post by Dani1923 on April 10, 2023, 03:37:48 PM »
Disney just released the actual official trailer to Peter Pan and Wendy, the last trailer was a teaser trailer, and it actually still looks pretty good!
Love to hear other people’s thoughts!
I’m going to post another breakdown of this trailer just like I did with the teaser trailer.

https://youtu.be/p-5sVX7MRj8
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JMBarrie / Barrie's early newspaper articles
« Last post by andrew on April 05, 2023, 02:15:14 PM »
The observant may have noticed that I've started uploading some of Barrie's early - and mostly anonymous - contributions to newspapers, principally the St James's Gazette, the Edinburgh Evening Dispatch, and a few from the Nottingham Journal. Many of these I had xeroxed at the old Colindale Newspaper Library in 1976. They have now been transferred to the British Library and some are available on the British Newspaper Archive's website. Although the Nottingham Journal appears in their index, it actually brings up the Nottingham Daily Express! Unfortunately a number of articles in the Edinburgh Evening Dispatch have been cropped vertically so that half of every line is missing.

Herbert Garland, in his 1928 bibliography, gives a useful list of Barrie's articles with dates, but it is by no means complete; Barrie himself also occasionally jots down titles and dates at the end of his notebooks. So one way and t'other there's plenty to be getting along with, and by the time I've finished uploading, hopefully the BNA will have added the Nottingham Journal as well as the British Weekly, the Scots Observer and the many others to which JMB contributed ...
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Peter Pan / Re: Disney’s Peter Pan and Wendy Casting Decisions
« Last post by Dani1923 on March 09, 2023, 11:38:28 PM »
Helen,
You are absolutely right about the double casting!
It really doesn’t make sense for George Darling and Hook to be played by the same actor as they are completely different characters and, like you said, it wasn’t Barrie’s original vision anyway. If stage productions follow the usual tradition, that’s fine, I understand, they just want to follow the tradition, also it gives the actor much more stage time, but for a film, they really don’t need to do that. So yes, now I’m glad the film decided to take the route of having different actors play George and Hook!
Also I did totally forget that the 1924 film had different actors play George and Hook! Thank you for reminding me of that!
Also you’re totally right about Hook’s character and personality description, which is why Hook should not be played by the same actor playing George and be confused as being the same person in Wendy’s imagination!
You were totally right and I was totally wrong!
Thank you for your reply! 😀

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Peter Pan / Re: Official Peter Pan and Wendy Trailer!
« Last post by Dani1923 on March 04, 2023, 05:50:03 PM »
An additional thing I want to add that I noticed after I wrote this is that how Wendy gets thrown into Neverland is because the pirates shot a cannon ball at Wendy and her brothers and Peter and she falls on to the island. So I’m guessing Tinkerbell doesn’t try to get Wendy killed in this version.
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