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Allahakbarrie

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Frank Thurston (& Peter Pan's First XI)
« on: March 23, 2010, 04:06:17 PM »
Hi Andrew.

I've just returned from India where I've been for the past six months, hence my absence from this message board.

I have been thinking about Frank Thurston quite a bit in recent weeks and wondering what happened to him. He sounded like a fascinating character and P. G. Wodehouse mentioned him in a late interview in the 1970s as being rather like a real-life Jeeves. Do you know anything about his life after Barrie? Was he with him until the end? I was planning on doing a bit more digging around this, but please let me know if you have any information that you're able to share with me.

Other news is that Peter Pan's First XI, the account of the Allahakbarries and their adventures, is being published on May 13 by Hodder. People in Kirrieimuir are trying to organise a cricket match but there is certainly going to be a re-enactment of the 'test match' between Mary de Navarro's side and the Allahakbarries taking place in Broadway on June 20 as part of the Broadway Arts Festival: http://www.broadwayartsfestival.com/2010.php

I hope to make it to some of the Barrie 150 events in Kirriemuir myself and it would be a privilege to meet you there.

I'll update the forum with any further news about the cricket match.

All best wishes,
Kevin Telfer

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Re: Frank Thurston (& Peter Pan's First XI)
« Reply #1 on: March 25, 2010, 11:08:50 AM »
Good to hear from you, and greatly look forward to reading your book! Nico had wonderful stories about Frank T (and Harry Brown) - I'll have to check his old letters to see if he ever mentioned what became of him post 1937... more like the Adams family butler than Jeeves from the sounds of him, a wonderfully lugubrious voice according to Nico...

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Re: Frank Thurston (& Peter Pan's First XI)
« Reply #2 on: March 31, 2010, 08:31:25 AM »
Thanks, Andrew. Unfortunately I won't be able to make it to Kirriemuir for your lecture on May 9 as I am due to visit the following Friday but best of luck with it.

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Re: Frank Thurston (& Peter Pan's First XI)
« Reply #3 on: April 07, 2010, 03:10:48 PM »
I am also interested in Frank Thurston!!!
And I pre-ordered Kevin Telfer's book via Amazon.

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Re: Frank Thurston (& Peter Pan's First XI)
« Reply #4 on: April 18, 2010, 11:57:01 AM »
Nice piece on P3 (nice spot!) of the Sunday Times this morning about the Allahakbarries - the upcoming match and their history, & Kevin Telfer's impending book publication. Here's the link

http://entertainment.timesonline.co.uk/tol/arts_and_entertainment/books/children/article7100941.ece

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Re: Frank Thurston (& Peter Pan's First XI)
« Reply #5 on: May 07, 2010, 06:27:33 PM »
I'd like to say to Kevin Telfer ('Allahakbarrie') that I am really enjoying reading his fascinating new book - 'Peter Pan's First XI' - which seems to have been published over a week early in the UK!  The great depth of Kevin's research is evident and much appreciated, especially, for me, for the period 1903 to 1905 within which cricket matches were played in Surrey, based on Black Lake Cottage for a week each year, while my grandmother was Barrie's housekeeper and cook there.  As well as feeding the guests she witnessed something of the comings and goings, the golf croquet and the socialising. 

In the face of Kevin's knowledge and expertise I would venture to differ with just one piece of data: According to my information the Allahakbarries declared at 257 (not 247) for 5 in their last match against 'The Artists' on 3 July 1905, for this, according to the local newspaper's report, was the total for their innings. One might wonder at my quibbling at this minor difference but, having spotted it, I think the story behind this exceptionally high score, untold by Kevin (so far as I can see), is worthy of mention. 

The newspaper report sets out the detailed statistics for the innings, from which we see that the opening pair for Barrie's team, F. Merick (sic) Jones and E. L. Marsden, scored 84 and 76 respectively. Yet, curiously, Kevin makes special mention only of S S Pawling who scored a respectable 47.

Kevin correctly informs us that the matches against the Frensham Artists in the two preceding years had been played at Frensham Ponds and had resulted in sound beatings suffered by the Allahakbarries.  Like me in 2004/2005, however, he was unable to locate any evidence, such as scorebooks or press reports, to validate those results, nor to identify the names of any of the players in the Frensham Artists' teams. 

It is my belief that, for reasons best known to Barrie (but speculated upon by me in my little book), JMB had beed determined to thrash the Frensham Artists this last time, in 1905.  Why else would Barrie take the unusual step of playing no less than three former first class cricketers in his team?: The Revd. Frederick Meyrick Jones, who had played for the Allahakbarries previously, had been a player for Kent;  Edward Marsden, who I don't think had played for Barrie's team before, had been a player for Middlesex;  and Sidney Pawling, who also had played for Middlesex.  Unless the opponents did likewise Barrie's team could hardly lose.

On a further point, Kevin, like me, seems to have gleaned from some Barrie biographies that the Allahakbarries played The Frensham Artists for a few years, until 1905, at a ground referred to as either Frensham or Frensham Ponds. I never managed to locate this ground positively. Interestingly, the Farnham Herald report of 8 July 1905 is headed 'MR J. M. BARRIE'S XI v. THE ARTISTS' C. C.'.  Neither in this heading, nor in the body of the report, is any mention made of either the Allahakbarries or Frensham.  I do find this a little strange.  Furthermore, while Kevin writes that this match was played at Frensham Ponds, the Farnham Herald states that it took place in 'the Park', and for the purposes of my book I came to the conclusion that the venue was actually the cricket ground at Farnham Park.

This press report led me to wonder whether the biographers may have mistakenly concluded that this particular cricket match was against the Frensham Artists - and I have to say that it suited my story to go along with this! - and that it may instead have been against 'The Artists', a different team which the Allahakbarries normally played at locations elsewhere and at other times in the season.

Kevin: Any comments on all of this would be most welcome, please.

I hasten to conclude that my nitpicking comes purely from a personal desire to pin down a few facts insofar as they concern my grandmother's 'story', and that I unhesitatingly recommend Kevin's splendid book to all devotees of cricket history as well as those of JMB.


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Re: Frank Thurston (& Peter Pan's First XI)
« Reply #6 on: May 10, 2010, 09:49:16 PM »
Dear Robert,

Many thanks for your exceptionally detailed post that at first glance seems to point out a discrepancy in Peter Pan's First XI.

In my own notes taken from the Farnham, Haslemere and Hindhead Herald, I see that I have written down 247 in the text but 257 in the scorecard. I would have to return to the source to find out whether this discrepancy was a typo or one that also appeared in the newspaper report -- I suspect it is the former, in which case I shall make sure it is changed for any future reprints.

Why do I highlight Pawling's contribution in this game? Well, because he has already been established as a character in the Allahakbarries story whereas Meyrick-Jones and Marsden were not regular players for the side.

As for the venue, I shall have to interrogate my notes further before I get back to you.

But thanks for bringing these points to my attention, and for your endorsement of the book -- I'm glad you've been enjoying it.

Best,
kevin

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Re: Frank Thurston (& Peter Pan's First XI)
« Reply #7 on: May 11, 2010, 07:48:33 AM »
Thank you, Kevin. I can save you the trouble of returning to the source, which I imagine would require you to visit Farnham Museum. When I accessed the newspaper report there I hand wrote a copy of the entire report. I can assure you that the total of 257 runs was printed in the body text as well as at the foot of the scorecard. Personally, this is of little importance, however, because what really interests me is the quest for names of the teams of the Frensham Artists in the previous years; in my book I indicate a very possible link with the Frensham artist James Clarke Hook, RA, and his artist sons (one of whom was Allen James Hook), and the amazing coincidence of these names and Peter Pan's Captain James Hook, especially given the additional coincidence of the timing (1903/1904) when Barrie was writing is play. I find this scenario highly intriguing! If only my grandmother had told me all she knew!

Congratulations on a good illustrated review of your book in last Sunday's Sunday Times.